Well he's playing as a DM so that would suggest he will try it less tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
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Well he's playing as a DM so that would suggest he will try it less tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Is it possible to be less creative than he already is?
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Originally Posted by bignev
He has turned into a monster player for us. And I don't use that term often. Monster.
I don't know where this aggression has come from. I don't remember him being German for Everton.
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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
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Originally Posted by Ach
last year we moaned that song was to creatative as a dm and left the defence exposed, now we have a dm who has been brilliant and some are moaning he is not creative enough.
leave the creativity to others, cazorla etc and leave the dm duties to the dm. its working atm
He doesnt have to do what Song did ie run upfront at every opportunity
Just play the ball forward more often, speed up our attack
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:gp: Arteta, is a beast in that Dm role. As long as he keeps doing what he is doing we will be ok. Leave the Creatvity to the likes or Santi and Jack etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Ollie never said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Arteta has been outstanding. Fantastic signing.
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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
But he didnt score 40 goals and assist 20 others in the few minutes he was on so must be shit
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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Few minutes he was on?Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
He played the whole game
Ollie :haha:
Never said he said thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Right from day one and all the way through including yesterday. He has one of the best attitudes and work ethics in the game today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Never said you said he said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Jack is deadQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Santi cant do it on his own
Arteta needs to do his bit
That's what annoys me about him sometimes. When playing that deep, I don't think he realises that he sometimes has time to turn to play the ball forward. The short passing backwards and sideways can put others under pressure. But saying that, he's no slouch and when on his game he goes in for the mean tackle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Arteta is god :bow:
Jack will be back, we also have AOC who gives us creativity and diaby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Wenger did very well with Arteta given the haste and lateness of the deal. Clearly, he was nothing like top of the list last year. But he's done very well on a few occasions altering the player's role and getting the best from them. Arteta doesn't have the passing range or dexterity in tight areas. What he does do is what the few Denilson apologists claimed he did. Good on the ball and disciplined. Basically, he knows how to play football. I could see in some games with Wilshere available, Arteta sitting out. That wouldn't be many though. Of course he does have his limitations. In the circumstances, very good signing.
jack has never played with arteta, chamberlain or cazorla.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
thats frightening. imagine our midfield when he's back.
Yes we will have a wonderful midfield when he is back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
And Diaby can play in midfield too. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Mikel Arteta should be captain, not Vermaelen who I think is getting away with alot of poor decisions and performances because he is captain and when you put him together with Kos it's even worse.
i like tommy as captain. i like his aggression and presence. he's one of a few who actually shows a bit of passion when we concede a goal unlike that oaf koscielny who puts his head down and trudges back to the halfway line.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...gement-one-dayQuote:
Mikel Arteta will consider a move into management when his playing days are over - even though he believes the job is more stressful than ever.
The midfielder has been a revelation since joining Arsenal last year and was recently appointed vice-captain by Arsène Wenger. At 30, Arteta has a number of years left on the pitch but his cerebral approach to his sport augurs well should he eventually swap the midfield for the technical area.
The Spaniard admits he has thought about his long-term future but he is wary of the pressure on modern-day managers.
"I don’t know [if I will be a manager], it’s a big thing nowadays because it’s really demanding," Arteta told Arsenal.com.
"I think the job has changed a lot in the last few years - you can see the stress and the responsibility managers have. Sometimes people don’t recognise that. To manage a group of players nowadays with 10 or 15 different countries involved with different personalities is a difficult thing to do.
"I have thought about it a lot and we will see what happens one day. It’s still early for that [decision]. Obviously you’re starting to get a few things from different managers and players and a key thing is they can help.
"Sometimes on the pitch as well you think about things that can be done better or in a different way, or how you play depending on if you’re winning and drawing and what the team needs to do."
Arteta worked under David Moyes at Everton and has also thrived with Wenger. The Spaniard's tactical awareness is one of his strengths but he believes that man-management is just as important in the top job.
"If you have 24 players, every one is different," he said. "One of the biggest mistakes I’ve seen is when you treat everyone the same. People say ‘everyone has to be the same’ - they have to be the same in certain roles, but everyone is different.
"The way you approach someone is very important. If you shout at someone, it depends on their character - you may kill him for the next 45 minutes.
"Sometimes you need to pinch someone because you know he has the character. He can involve the rest if he pushes and raises his level in the game. You have to recognise those characters and I think that’s a very difficult part of football management."
Might as well give him a go. Cant be any worse
Love the the after thought way Diaby is mentioned there. . . .shamful the way illegitimate sprogs are treated on here :sulk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
I reckon he'd be pretty good at it actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
http://arseblog.com/2012/12/arsenal-...-sense-of-fun/
Apparently only 21.5% of Arteta's passes have been forward this season. This is one of the reasons we should bring Rosicky back in, to give us more drive and urgency in midfield.
they play different positions. the only way that stat makes any sense is in direct comparison to others that sit in front of their defence. he has not been good enough this season but it takes more than that stat to figure out the problem.
My problem is not his passing in particular but how he's easily marked out games now, he's not a natural in this position and it's starting to show. He needs time and space to pass but he's not nimble enough to think on his feet.
This is why it was suicide to let Song go and not buy a replacement, he was a key part of making the midfield work but also managed to do the dirty work as well.
At our best (especially with Fabregas and Nasri) he would have flourished because there were always intelligent players on the same wavelength making themselves available for passes. He's not getting that right now, which is why we struggle to get any kind of possesion for long periods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy GHELmas
the midfield is broke, but not because of individual players. the ones we have are excellent, just not compatible.
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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
The way we set up is to accomodate Diaby or Rosicky, both of whom are little bit broken.
Jack is not the ball carrier we need, though he'll try his best. He'll be the one who does Arteta's job eventually, dictating the play and doing the dirty work.
Agree with that. Because he's easy to mark he's being forced to play the ball backwards. The stats and what we're seeing on the pitch relate. Unlike Song, Diaby,Cesc, Rosicky.. he's the type of player that needs a lot of space to play beause he can't play on the half turn when under pressure. If he's tightly marked he'll point away so someone doesn't pass to him or recieve the ball and then pass it back to the orginal passer, a backwards or sideways pass. He's part of the problem and Wenger needs to addres that. Teams are pressing the middle and wide players like Podoslki tend to drift in and not carry the ball down the wide channels even if free and that's where most of the space should be if we're being pressed down the centre. It's a real mess and we have no cohesion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy GHELmas
I get what you're saying, but Diaby, Cesc and Rosicky never played the role that Arteta is currently playing for us. Diaby was abismal as the player to sit back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Song looked better, but why? For me it was because last year, Arteta and Song were interchangeable. When Song went forward, Arteta stayed back.
He may not be producing in an attacking sense, but he's the most diciplined we have there, and has saved our arses a few times this year, even if he has let some past him. Now that Song has pissed off, there is nobody who is interchangeable. He's all we have. And as Rosicky and Diaby have been out, Jack has had to slot in as the ball carrier.
The problem we have is the link player who carries the ball forward. Hopefully Rosicky can do it for a few games before falling over again, but that's where we need to invest money. Not replacing Arteta.
It's not so much the defence part and sitting back I'm referring to, just taking on the responsibility to take the ball from defence and play it forward like how Vieria used to do. Cesc was great at doing it when playing a 4-4-2 with Gilberto, Diaby and Rosicky play box to box and are more mobile but Diaby player a disciplined game against Liverpool and I've also seen him do that when paired with Song or Denilson in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoeLDG
I don't think it's so much about the role but more about the player and Arteta just can't play on the half turn. Wilshere played the deep role once and he was great at taking on the responsibility and keeping the ball moving even when under pressure as seen when playing against Barca. Arteta just can't play that way.