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Originally Posted by Letters

It's not a camera trick :lol:
If anything the camera trick is the other angle where you see grass between the ball and the line. That's not how that rule works. It's not the part of the ball that contacts the ground that has to be over the line, it's the whole of the ball which has to be over the whole of the line. In the still above it is admittedly difficult to determine that but it is at least from the right angle. With all the goal line technology and chips now being in the ball, there should be no way they can get these things wrong. Pretty much everything else in football is subjective, but with this...it either did or it didn't go all the way over the line.

EDIT: For the lolz, I put the above into my trusty Paint.NET and drew a circle around the ball. You can pretty clearly see if you do that it's not completely over the line. I am presupposing that the still is the furthest to the right (as we look in that image) the ball went.

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https://i.ibb.co/6w9w8j8/VARJapan2.jpg

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If you take a picture from far enough away you can show the ball overlapping the line even if it’s in the advertising hoardings.

This is nonsense, utter and complete nonsense. Once there is clear daylight between the ball and the line it’s over

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

If you take a picture from far enough away you can show the ball overlapping the line even if it’s in the advertising hoardings.

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With respect, what the utter fuck are you talking about? Taking a picture from further away doesn't make two objects which don't overlap magically overlap.
This is nothing to do with distance, it's to do with angles.

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This is nonsense, utter and complete nonsense. Once there is clear daylight between the ball and the line it’s over

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Yes, IF you're looking from the right angle. Look, I took my boy's ball and overlapped it with our very stylish bathmat. Much more clearly overlapping than the incident last night.
BUT if you take a picture from the right angle you can see "daylight" between the ball and mat. But that's not how you determine whether the ball is overlapping the mat.
To do that you take the photo from right overhead. And from that angle you can clearly see it is:

https://i.ibb.co/wy7jtPY/VARJapan3.jpg

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Friday 2nd December 2022
Ghana v Uruguay, 15:00 BBC Two
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Originally Posted by Letters

With respect, what the utter fuck are you talking about? Taking a picture from further away doesn't make two objects which don't overlap magically overlap.
This is nothing to do with distance, it's to do with angles.


Yes, IF you're looking from the right angle. Look, I took my boy's ball and overlapped it with our very stylish bathmat. Much more clearly overlapping than the incident last night.
BUT if you take a picture from the right angle you can see "daylight" between the ball and mat. But that's not how you determine whether the ball is overlapping the mat.
To do that you take the photo from right overhead. And from that angle you can clearly see it is:

https://i.ibb.co/wy7jtPY/VARJapan3.jpg

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It’s not overlapping the map it just looks like it is, that’s the point I’m making

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

It’s not overlapping the map it just looks like it is, that’s the point I’m making

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What it looks like depends what angle you look from. From the first picture you can see that the part of the ball which touches the ground does not overlap the mat.
But that's not the rule in football, it's the WHOLE of the ball which has to cross the WHOLE of the line. The only way to determine that is to look straight down.

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Originally Posted by Letters

What it looks like depends what angle you look from. From the first picture you can see that the part of the ball which touches the ground does not overlap the mat.
But that's not the rule in football, it's the WHOLE of the ball which has to cross the WHOLE of the line. The only way to determine that is to look straight down.

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Given we are talking about a football and not a parasol, the whole of the ball has crossed the line when there’s daylight between the ball and the line. Anything else is specious bullshit.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Given we are talking about a football and not a parasol, the whole of the ball has crossed the line when there’s daylight between the ball and the line.

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Daylight from which angle? The angle determines what you see.

Look, here's a side view. The green is the grass, the red part is the line - red for clarity.

https://i.ibb.co/JxnJWx8/VARJapan4.jpg

Balls are famously spherical (yes they are, Rugby). Which means that the part which touches the ground will obviously not be the whole diameter of the ball.
You can see that the green part to the left of the line and to the right of where the ball touches the "grass" would be visible from the right angle.
But that's not relevant. The relevant line is the blueish one I've drawn straight downwards.
That's what the top down angle shows and that's what tells you if the ball is the whole way over the line.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Daylight from which angle? The angle determines what you see.

Look, here's a side view. The green is the grass, the red part is the line - red for clarity.

https://i.ibb.co/JxnJWx8/VARJapan4.jpg

Balls are famously spherical (yes they are, Rugby). Which means that the part which touches the ground will obviously not be the whole diameter of the ball.
You can see that the green part to the left of the line and to the right of where the ball touches the "grass" would be visible from the right angle.
But that's not relevant. The relevant line is the blueish one I've drawn straight downwards.
That's what the top down angle shows and that's what tells you if the ball is the whole way over the line.

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I think you seem to believe I’m slow on the up take here

I’m not I understand precisely what’s being said, but what I’m saying is that the ball was far enough over the line that no part of the ball is adjacent to the line or straying over it. If you launched a projectile pin from the line it would miss the ball and the overlap is just how it appears from a camera angle pointing downwards.

The whole of the ball is over the whole of the line.

So thank you for that lovely diagram you’ve drawn in order to be patronising. But I understand the point being made, it’s complete nonsense anyway but beside the point, even using that principle the ball has crossed the line because if you lined up the ball at it’s furthest point and drew a direct vertical line to the ground, the point at which it arrived would be over the white line

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

I think you seem to believe I’m slow on the up take here

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It's the way you're coming across tbh, you keep talking about "daylight", but as I've shown you can see grass in between the ball and line from certain angles even if from the top down (which is the relevant angle) the ball is overlapping the line.

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what I’m saying is that the ball was far enough over the line that no part of the ball is adjacent to the line or straying over it. If you launched a projectile pin from the line it would miss the ball and the overlap is just how it appears from a camera angle pointing downwards.

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Well OK. The still I showed above appears to be from the right angle and shows some overlap. Not much, admittedly, but there doesn't have to be much.
What I can't know is whether that still shows the absolute furthest the ball went before the Japan player hooked it back.
My initial impression was certainly that it was miles over, but that first angle was deceptive. It was certainly a close call.

Matches are on now.

Partey starts for Ghana, of course.