Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit.

Stuck with the old stuff

#windows 8.1

Wenger is still on Windows 3.1, he'll upgrade when there's something better out there, but right now he's happy with what he's got and spending isn't always the answer.

On to the international break then.

Followed by 34 more games of tippy tappy.

Rafa had a full-back fetish.

Spurs had a defensive midfielder fetish.

Now Sherwood has a centre-back fetish.

And Wenger earns £8 million and Arsenal have £200m in the bank.

Wenger sucks all the excitement out of transfer windows and the season, expect the usual snoozefest this season, great football my arse, our mythical football is dull and predictable. Can't stand the guy.

So it seems that the deals have fallen through because we wouldn't meet the fees being asked.

Wenger can fuck off tbh.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

Wenger can fuck off tbh.

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Originally Posted by Özim

You're describing pretty much the best case scenario with Wenger as has been shown in the last 10 years, but I bet come the end of the season if he achieves that and we have another one of the short unbeaten runs he'll be forgiven and given another chance.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

So it seems that the deals have fallen through because we wouldn't meet the fees being asked.

Wenger can fuck off tbh.

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Pretty much every window, if the price doesn't meet Wengers valuation that's it, he pulls the plug.

tbf I don't think I'd have paid £50mill for Cavani either.

Especially seeing as I don't have £50mill.

Of all the big names that have moved, I'm not sure any of them would have been starters for us. Vidal possibly, but then he would replace Ramsey and thats a waste. Pedro, De Bryne, sterling, all are good players but i don't think they are starters for us, and certainly not for the prices they went for. In my mind, Schnerdlein is no better then Coquelin.

I would have loved us to have signed a Cavani or Benezema, but by all accounts we tried and actually offered serious money (well at least we did for Benezema), yet madrid didn't want to sell. Not much you can do about that but there is no doubting Wenger tried. Some strikers who moved this window, are not better then giroud, so there is no point wasting money just to have a signing.

Wenger has decided to place his faith again in his squad, but this time, it is a squad that has won 4 trophies in two seasons, that has produced some big performances unlike previous ones and actually looked like challenging. Its much easier to believe in a squad that has a world class player in every area (Cech, Koscienly, Ozil, Sanchez) with some fantastic players to compliment them (Ramsey,, Ox, Theo, Cazorla). I think this squad can challenge, possibly even win, we had an exceptional second half of the season last year, one which was helped massively by managing to keep players fit, which we couldn't in the first half. If that stays the same, and midfielders score more (which was a problem last year) then I think we really will challenge. This is a good squad, one which would have been helped by a world class striker, but that sadly couldn't happen, but not because of lack of trying.

However, this really is last chance saloon. Wenger has assembled a very good squad in my opinion, but they and he have to deliver this year.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

tbf I don't think I'd have paid £50mill for Cavani either.

Especially seeing as I don't have £50mill.

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Wenger wouldn't pay 50 million is he had 500 billion

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Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist

Of all the big names that have moved, I'm not sure any of them would have been starters for us. Vidal possibly, but then he would replace Ramsey and thats a waste. Pedro, De Bryne, sterling, all are good players but i don't think they are starters for us, and certainly not for the prices they went for. In my mind, Schnerdlein is no better then Coquelin.

I would have loved us to have signed a Cavani or Benezema, but by all accounts we tried and actually offered serious money (well at least we did for Benezema), yet madrid didn't want to sell. Not much you can do about that but there is no doubting Wenger tried. Some strikers who moved this window, are not better then giroud, so there is no point wasting money just to have a signing.

Wenger has decided to place his faith again in his squad, but this time, it is a squad that has won 4 trophies in two seasons, that has produced some big performances unlike previous ones and actually looked like challenging. Its much easier to believe in a squad that has a world class player in every area (Cech, Koscienly, Ozil, Sanchez) with some fantastic players to compliment them (Ramsey,, Ox, Theo, Cazorla). I think this squad can challenge, possibly even win, we had an exceptional second half of the season last year, one which was helped massively by managing to keep players fit, which we couldn't in the first half. If that stays the same, and midfielders score more (which was a problem last year) then I think we really will challenge. This is a good squad, one which would have been helped by a world class striker, but that sadly couldn't happen, but not because of lack of trying.

However, this really is last chance saloon. Wenger has assembled a very good squad in my opinion, but they and he have to deliver this year.

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Where do you start with a post like this? There's a host of better players we could have signed had we bothered to try.

As for Benzema, Cavani, if and it's a big if, we tried to sign them we should have maybe been more realistic, Real had barely a striker up front so why would they sell? Again PSG are loaded so why approach them in the last day or two when they can't replace him, they don't need to sell, it's a joke that we think we can go after players like this and allegedly chase them for months thinking that it's going to happen.

He's put his faith in the squad alright, they won't deliver though, the FA Cup is about their limit, leave the major trophies to the big boys who know what they're doing, just like last season, we'll just make up the numbers in the CL and do our usual collapse if we come within a sniff of 1st place, that's what we're good at, our limit is a CL spot we know this.

This squad is vastly overrated, yes we won an FA Cup or two, however in the past when clubs have won it, it's been laughed at as not that important so I don't see how it's suddenly a major trophy now we've won it, nice to win without a doubt but it's a secondary trophy behind the big prizes we never challenge for.

Sorry there's no excuses for the guy now, nowhere to hide, he's had all summer to find someone decent, every other club has managed to get players, if he can't do it he's not up to the job, you can't make excuses for him, not when he should have had his targets in mind (a list of them) and should have gone for them early on to get them signed or not signed allowing him to move on.

Sick of his BS, lies and nonsense, he needs to move on to a small club where his lack of ambition and unwillingness to spend fits in with the budget, not manage a club suppose to be one of the biggest in the world.

Can't find quality goal scoring CF? Then get a goal scoring wide forward, there are quite a few good ones in the market ex Grizmann, Reus etc. Feo and Ox are not consistent enough, to play week in and week out. :coffee:

Glad that Wenger didnt spend much this window. He wouldnt have achieved much anyway. His tactics are as bad as it gets and he cant motivate the team unless 4th place is in jeopardy. Thanks for leaving the cash for a real football manager in 2017.

Now please fuck off Arsene.. ktnxbye! :wave:

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

tbf I don't think I'd have paid £50mill for Cavani either.

Especially seeing as I don't have £50mill.

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More importantly what would you do with him if you did have 50 million?.

Get him to mow the lawn on a Sunday, get him to pick the kids from school or engage in sexual congress with the wife if the previous nights drunken escapades have taken a detrimental effect on the libido?.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Where do you start with a post like this? There's a host of better players we could have signed had we bothered to try.

As for Benzema, Cavani, if and it's a big if, we tried to sign them we should have maybe been more realistic, Real had barely a striker up front so why would they sell? Again PSG are loaded so why approach them in the last day or two when they can't replace him, they don't need to sell, it's a joke that we think we can go after players like this and allegedly chase them for months thinking that it's going to happen.

He's put his faith in the squad alright, they won't deliver though, the FA Cup is about their limit, leave the major trophies to the big boys who know what they're doing, just like last season, we'll just make up the numbers in the CL and do our usual collapse if we come within a sniff of 1st place, that's what we're good at, our limit is a CL spot we know this.

This squad is vastly overrated, yes we won an FA Cup or two, however in the past when clubs have won it, it's been laughed at as not that important so I don't see how it's suddenly a major trophy now we've won it, nice to win without a doubt but it's a secondary trophy behind the big prizes we never challenge for.

Sorry there's no excuses for the guy now, nowhere to hide, he's had all summer to find someone decent, every other club has managed to get players, if he can't do it he's not up to the job, you can't make excuses for him, not when he should have had his targets in mind (a list of them) and should have gone for them early on to get them signed or not signed allowing him to move on.

Sick of his BS, lies and nonsense, he needs to move on to a small club where his lack of ambition and unwillingness to spend fits in with the budget, not manage a club suppose to be one of the biggest in the world.

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I like the fact you constantly belittle the manager for having no ambition, only settling for second best etc etc, and then call it a joke when he tries to sign world class strikers. I mean there is shifting the goalposts, and then theres that.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

More importantly what would you do with him if you did have 50 million?.

Get him to mow the lawn on a Sunday, get him to pick the kids from school or engage in sexual congress with the wife if the previous nights drunken escapades have taken a detrimental effect on the libido?.

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Probably the same thing Wumger did, nothing. :coffee:

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Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist

I like the fact you constantly belittle the manager for having no ambition, only settling for second best etc etc, and then call it a joke when he tries to sign world class strikers. I mean there is shifting the goalposts, and then theres that.

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He's a joke end of.

Allegedly tried to sign, there's no proof, just press nonsense, even if he did, he went for players who really weren't realistic because he's as cheap as they come and those players were never going to be sold by these rich clubs for peanuts, even if they were available (Benzema clearly wasn't)

Walk away Ollie, walk away.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

More importantly what would you do with him if you did have 50 million?.

Get him to mow the lawn on a Sunday, get him to pick the kids from school or engage in sexual congress with the wife if the previous nights drunken escapades have taken a detrimental effect on the libido?.

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I'd stick him on the porch bench and get Ramsey to mow the lawn.

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Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist

I like the fact you constantly belittle the manager for having no ambition, only settling for second best etc etc, and then call it a joke when he tries to sign world class strikers. I mean there is shifting the goalposts, and then theres that.

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The fact that we only went for Benzema and Cavani suggests Wenger was happy with what he had rather than acknowledging the need for a better striker than Giroud, and should have been sent his scouting network to scour the continent and possibly others to make sure that we had it covered.
No one is advocating what United have done with Martial, I don't necessarily think it's a panic buy but who knows if they have done their homework to ascertain whether he will prove to be worth the gamble or will be the next Freddy Adu.

There is an issue of valuation, if a club values a player higher than Wenger values him than we won't do a deal, that is ridiculous....

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I'd stick him on the porch bench and get Ramsey to mow the lawn.

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Good idea, Ramsey needs to re familiarise himself with hard work. Set him a time limit for mowing front and back so he won't trundle around your garden the way he trundles back when we've lost possession.

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Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist

I like the fact you constantly belittle the manager for having no ambition, only settling for second best etc etc, and then call it a joke when he tries to sign world class strikers. I mean there is shifting the goalposts, and then theres that.

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Did we even try? There is no solid evidence that we even tried. And IF we did, why did we start so late?

Not that it matters.. lets just wait for the manager to piss off in 2017 and become an actual football club.

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Originally Posted by Özim

He's a joke end of.

Allegedly tried to sign, there's no proof, just press nonsense, even if he did, he went for players who really weren't realistic because he's as cheap as they come and those players were never going to be sold by these rich clubs for peanuts, even if they were available (Benzema clearly wasn't)

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I like how you ignore evidence that contradicts your point. Mesut Ozil was unavailable to sign, and we managed to sign and paid a record fee. The next season, we again went to a big club and signed another world class player for a lot of money. But hey, wenger is cheap.

The players that were realistic, were bentekke, lambert, dzecko etc, none of those are an upgrade on Giroud so would have been a waste. The players that we needed are the world class strikers, sadly there aren't many of those around, so we had to try to get one from a big club. My, that actually sounds quite ambitious from someone who is not ambitious.

You can't slate a manager for being unambitious, and then slate him for trying to sign ambitious players. That just makes you look like an idiot

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

The fact that we only went for Benzema and Cavani suggests Wenger was happy with what he had rather than acknowledging the need for a better striker than Giroud, and should have been sent his scouting network to scour the continent and possibly others to make sure that we had it covered.
No one is advocating what United have done with Martial, I don't necessarily think it's a panic buy but who knows if they have done their homework to ascertain whether he will prove to be worth the gamble or will be the next Freddy Adu.

There is an issue of valuation, if a club values a player higher than Wenger values him than we won't do a deal, that is ridiculous....

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That doesn't even make sense.

And united purchase of Martial is the definition of a panic buy.

Wengcunt has no business getting involved in the transfer fees.
He should be able to get involved with the negotiations to convince the player he wants him, but that is where his involvement has to end.

Give the board your list and let them work out the figures.

The guy is a fucking liability. I don't care if he wins everything this year, I cannot wait for him to fuck off.

Arsene Wengcunt :bow:.

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Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist

That doesn't even make sense.

And united purchase of Martial is the definition of a panic buy.

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It does make sense it means that if we clearly identified a need for a striker (which we should have) we should have been exploring all options

It depends really, if they intend to use him right away it is....if he's an investment for the future and they are signing him before any club gets their hands on him than not really. It's a massive gamble for a 19 year old either way

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Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist

I like how you ignore evidence that contradicts your point. Mesut Ozil was unavailable to sign, and we managed to sign and paid a record fee. The next season, we again went to a big club and signed another world class player for a lot of money. But hey, wenger is cheap.

The players that were realistic, were bentekke, lambert, dzecko etc, none of those are an upgrade on Giroud so would have been a waste. The players that we needed are the world class strikers, sadly there aren't many of those around, so we had to try to get one from a big club. My, that actually sounds quite ambitious from someone who is not ambitious.

You can't slate a manager for being unambitious, and then slate him for trying to sign ambitious players. That just makes you look like an idiot

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Ozil wasn't unavailable at all, Real had just signed a plethora of midfielders, they were overloaded and they were looking to sell a player or two,

Sanchez was available after Barca decided he wasn't part of their plans after not really making it there, both players were available, both very good but neither were exactly what we needed (though I'm glad we got them).

Yes Wenger is cheap, Ozil was a pressure signing after he'd failed to sign anyone decent and everyone was getting on his back, he's spent next to nothing in 10 years and has haggled over the odd million here and there and missed out on top quality, sorry but in the transfer market he's the definition of a joker.

There's loads of players better than Giroud and co including Benteke, but you can find better players if you bothered looking (El Shaarawy, Martinez, Lacazette to name but three), it seems that we with our collection of scouts can't identify any players than the chumps we have who couldn't hit a barndoor with a banjo and that's seemingly been the case for years now.

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Originally Posted by Master Splinter

Arsene Wengcunt :bow:.

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:lol:

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Originally Posted by Master Splinter

Arsene Wengcunt :bow:.

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I know, I'm quite proud of it tbh :)

I prefer l'ouiseau as my favourite term for Wenger because of his thin crane like legs and his avian features

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

The fact that we only went for Benzema and Cavani suggests Wenger was happy with what he had rather than acknowledging the need for a better striker than Giroud, and should have been sent his scouting network to scour the continent and possibly others to make sure that we had it covered.
No one is advocating what United have done with Martial, I don't necessarily think it's a panic buy but who knows if they have done their homework to ascertain whether he will prove to be worth the gamble or will be the next Freddy Adu.

There is an issue of valuation, if a club values a player higher than Wenger values him than we won't do a deal, that is ridiculous....

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http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/englan...-challenge-for

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...ed-new-striker

Wenger said it plenty of times, but he wants goals from the midfield and hinted at the fact that he felt we had enough goals from our forwards.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

I know, I'm quite proud of it tbh :)

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I don't think he means...what I think be means is....actually, don't worry.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/englan...-challenge-for

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...ed-new-striker

Wenger said it plenty of times, but he wants goals from the midfield and hinted at the fact that he felt we had enough goals from our forwards.

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Why do I get the feeling that you're disagreeing with me even though essentially we are saying the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Why do I get the feeling that you're disagreeing with me even though essentially we are saying the same thing.

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I'm agreeing with you for once.

Us. :haha:

What a waste of time.

A manager who expects the bulk of goals to come from midfield rather than his forwards :rolleyes:

Here's an idea, why not sign a player who can get you 25-30 goals up front, then any goals from midfield are a bonus, he needs his head checked with some of his theories, he's been obsessed with goals from midfield, goalscoring midfielders are few and far between and we don't really seem to have any, even when we did we had a top striker who would get loads of goals up front.

I can still remember when he first came out with this 1 striker formation where he expected the 5 midfielders to score the bulk of the goals, it never worked then and won't work now, it always made us look toothless and watching the midfielders miss chance after chance was painful, but then he's always been totally obsessed with midfielders (well ever since his winning teams, which it could be perceived achieved the trophy haul due to leadership on the field with minimal input from the sideless), he's been overloading us with midfielders for years now, hence the reason we stick central players out wide and barely have any natural wingers.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I'm agreeing with you for once.

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I half agree with Wenger as well, in that we should be getting more goals from our midfield. Don't get me wrong another striker was vital but Ox, Ozil and Cazorla need to be chopping in with goals more this season.

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Originally Posted by Özim

A manager who expects the bulk of goals to come from midfield rather than his forwards :rolleyes

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I think what he was saying is that we were over relying on Giroud and Sanchez to win us games and that our midfield should provide more supplementary goal power. And whilst I think we did obviously need a better striker, I do agree that we need more goals coring contribution from midfield.