http://d3t45djmzb6oz8.cloudfront.net...ds/vp/1493.jpg
Printable View
I think once he made that statement though...made his position very difficult. And I think he's intelligent enough, and well advised enough, to know that the statement would rather force our hand. I think he'd have done a job for us, I don't think he'd have sulked the place up, but the effect on the rest of the squad...I dunno. I'd rather have players around who want to play for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
NBN lent RvP his shirt? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
NBN :bow:
Didnt realise NBN looked like that ****Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
I agree with what you are saying here, and had VP kept quiet and kept things between him and the club private then maybe things would be different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
But the shit hit the fan when he released that statement.
It doesn't matter what side of the fence you sit on or whether you blame the board, manager, rvp or the club tea lady, the fact is that his statement did all the damage.
I should imagine it left the club and wenger a bit red faced and probably more so wenger.
Yes. Then we really didn't have a choice. But as always it was about money first. People are on here cheering about how Rvp has been told to fuck off despite wanting to change his mind based on the signings made. Yet in the same breath claim that he was greedy. The only greedy party here is the club. Hostory confirms it is money first with us. Yet we are happy to slag players off if they do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Firstly, why should the club suffer, be humiliated and let him go on a free when instead we can be compensated?Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
And secondly, so fucking what?
IMO what people are missing in defending RVP is that few people are disputing his right to work where he wants to. They are angry because he has proved himself two-faced; mercenary and needlessly heedless of the club that he is captain to further his own position.
Two-faced because only last year he stated that it was not about the money and that he was committed to winning things with us - yet a year later when he has had his stand out season, he wants to win trophies somewhere else.
Mercenary because despite Arsenal investing properly in quality players in order to mount more of a challenge, he has gone to a rivel for more money.
A c*nt because he was prepared to destabilise the club in order to get his move.
I'll say again that I am quite surprised that people are defending him over the club that they support. RVP hasn't broken any laws, and he is no different to most other modern players, but he has turned his back on the club that stood by him, made his captain, and where he made his name - and its strange that despite this some supporters remain loyal.
Bigger picture as far as I am concerned, those criticising the club for letting him walk are really criticising one thing - the refusal of AFC to break the bank to keep him. Do people not realise that to try to go toe to toe with 2 clubs that are funded by oil billionaires, and another club that is arguably the most famous club on the planet - with sponsorship income to match, is folly. Surely there are enough examples of clubs over-reaching themselves to make people not wantour club to take a similar route. And trying to satisfy RVP's wage demands would not stop there - it would become a perennial problem with players wanting to be paid more and more.
My view - over optimistic as it may be, is that Wenger is taking the club in a different dirction now. As outstanding season was, RVP was part of a team that ultimately under-achieved between 2006 and now - as were all of the more illustrious players who have left. Yes, there were other players who have underperformed - unlike RVP when he has been fit - but they are on their way out too. Ultimately, in RVP we have got rid of a player who only managed one full season with us, is 29, and who lately has shown he is a trouble-maker. £20M + is damn good business, and although its Manure - if they wanted another top striker its not as though they wouldn't get one.
So for me- bring on the season. Lets watch players who want to be here, and lets consign RVP to the list of player who could have been legends for us but who shoed their true colours at the end. i for one won;t be welcoming him back to the Emirates.
So the fact we wanted money for letting our best player go rather than letting him go on a free makes the club greedy?
Id say that makes us sensible
Exactly what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Yes. Originally, the clubs response was that he has a contract and he will honour ot as the professional he is. We are also to believe that he actually came around looking at the signings made so far --- but he was sold anyway to our rival. People are actually cheering that. But then he was sold because we were looking to balance the books.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Yet he is the greedy one? The farking irony. De ja vu
From my perspective it's not like that. Obviously I would've liked RVP to extend his contract but I'm realistic that we can't compete with other interested clubs in terms of wages. But my explanation for wanting to keep for this year is more about the club taking a stand to these players that are able to freely get their desired move every summer (and other reasons I've made on previous posts about wanting to cut the gap at the top). Even the spuds seem to put up a bigger resistance than us - they got Bale to sign, and kept Modric last summer (although he seems off this time). Bale's no Van Persie, but then against Tottenham are no Arsenal, with playing history and CL football, we still have the bigger pull, so in relative terms it's a similar scenario. I think we've caved in to the demands of a spoilt brat. And I really wanted us not to do that even if he would then move to Man Utd or City or whoever next season. We've shown ourselves to be lacking character in a big way IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
Don't really want to moan about it any more - just really hoping the club do make at least one good addition and I hope, as Lee Dixon says, the biggest signing of the summer is Steve Bould. Individually, we have a great set of defenders but if Bould can get us to keep a better shape, we'll be much improved.
He was sold because he made his position untenable.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
But of course you know that.
:gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Why do you care so much?Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
What exactly do you want everyone to do?
Oh poor, poor rvp, how badly we've all treated you, sob sob.
Fuck that shit!
It's motivated by Greed because we won't spend any of that money to strengthen the squad so we might as well have let him run down his contract and kept scoring goals.
Podolski and Giroud bought to fill the void instead of compliment the dutch man, cazorla bought to replace walcott rather than add to our midfield options, and we will hear that shit about frimpong being like a new signing when he has to step up to replace song when ever he comes back from his injury half the player he was.
And anyone kidding themselves that Wilshere will ever appear on a football pitch again need their head examining.
Yeah, rooney seems to be struggling at utd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
So you're effectively saying, we should have bowed down to RVP, who publicly aired an opposing view to our manager, and then double his dollar?Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
:haha:
The worst thing is that the players we should be selling will still be with us like saggy flesh on a fat woman whose crash dieted come september 1st. Cos the economics graduate put them on stupid wages, well done wenger.......you should work in the banks, they like handing out economic incentives to their staff for fuck all.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Grow the fuck up.
Some of us are actually tired of the same old shit being made up and spewed on an annual basis
Yeah, thats what i mean :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
And that's what actually happened in rooneys case, utd bowed to him :rolleyes:
Yes. Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
And you're saying we should have done the same?
Sarcasm lost on you too? Oh wellQuote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Well, yeah. :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
They offered him a massive contract not far off what he could've got at Man City.
Offering Van Persie a contract we couldn't afford would be conceding the battle. But keeping Van Persie for his final year wouldn't have meant bowing down to him because he wouldn't have benefited in any way.
We were never going to keep RVP after his statement. All this "we'll keep him til the end of hs contract" BS is the same as last years "we cant be called a big club if we sell Cesc and Nasri". I dont believe much of what comes out of Arsenal these days so i sure as hell didnt believe that. Looks like you did. History suggests you shouldnt have.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
As for RVP coming around after the signings we made, too little too late. We had moved on. Pre season was nearly over and all through it we prepared for a season without the **** so when the **** decided to stay, if he did, he was rightly told to fuck off and i respect the club for that. Who does RVC think he is thinking he can make a statement like he does pushing for a move and then deciding he wants to stay? The club decides if he goes or stays and we made the decision. Only time will tell if its wrong or right but atm, it sure as hell feels right.
Ideally he wouldnt have been sold to Man Utd. Wenger himself has come out and said he'd have rather have sold to PSG or Juve than Man Utd but neither offered what we wanted. Man Utd did and from ive read, RVP only wanted to go there to partner Rooney in a so called dream strike force.
We got the best deal we could from a One Season Wonder ****. That doesnt make us greedy, that makes us sensible. Thats not to say we arent greedy. Ive posted til im blue in the face about everything wrong with the board and manager as others will testify but thats another story.
Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Nonsense innit?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Not only the sarcasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
Yes, alex ferguson bowed to rooney! Unbelievable some of the things that get said on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
The club is run like it's in administration sometimes, 24m would be a lot of money if we were in anyway prepared to invest the money....but because we are saddled with a massive wage bill because no-one on the board has the guts to tell Arsene he fucked up royally in case he gets in a strop and leaves. Honestly the more I hear about how Wenger manages the team, the more i think he guy is a cancer. There is next to nothing in the way of tactical nous or defensive coaching, no-one dares question the guy on his approach......he is basically a revered autocrat because of what he achieved in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Even the Chinese got fed up with Mao Tse Tsung at some point
Rooney said what he said to attempt to get a pay rise.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
He then got a pay rise.
Difficult one, this...
Well isn't that actually what happened though?....Stretford got Rooney to say he wanted to leave when he didn't....and used it as a bluff to get the club to agree to his wage demands. He doesn't do it often, but Ferguson felt he couldn't do without Rooney (albeit a dangerously off form Rooney at the time) in his team so gave in to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
Not saying we should have done that by the way, we should have let Van Persie run down his contract....because if we are not going to spend the cash we get for him on a replacement than we might as well keep him.
Thing is, I don't begrduge him wanting to leave. It's been hugely frustrating few years for the club, so on a professional level I get why someone of his ability might fancy a change. The sad thing was his statement, not only making our position untenable but to deride the club itself and then try to fob the fans off with his sentimental bullshit.
We didn't like the manner in which Cesc left last year but he wasn't a disingenuous prick, he never said a word out of respect for the club and that's how RVC should have conducted himself instead of engineering the bloody thing in public.
I'd have preferred the Juve option. O would also have preferred another season out of him, if only to prevent it strengthening a direct rival.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
With the signings made we could be in with a shout of the title, but now we've managed to shoot both feet with one bullet, weakening our team and making it more likely United win the title
I also do not like the message it sends out. If he had seen out his contracy and went there, then that was his own business, but he'd be another year older and they'd still have to offer him a stupid contract.
All that said, I sincerely hope he has the playing record he had with us over the first seven seasons we stood by this greedy cu.nt
Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk 2
We waited 7 years for him to become the player we all knew he had ability to be. First chance he gets to fuck off and he's gone.
You know what you are, you know what you arrrree, Robin Van Persie, you know what you are.
After this saga, I don't trust any **** that plays for us anymore. If only Jack wasn't dead, now there was a filthy little GHEL we could all put our faith in.
Ferguson bowed to rooney and gave him an inflated raise -- oh dear. Or rooney was right -- united's squad the past two seasons have been shit! And, he was given the necessary assurances. Hence the splash on RVP?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
But I suppose looking at it that way wont, fit the 'players are greedy' mantra
I'm glad we could clear that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
:gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
*wonders when Utd play Stoke*
Come on, Shawcross. You know what to do.
I understand the argument, but realistically I don't think keeping RVP would have worked. Difference between him and Rooney is that RVP was the captain, longest serving and most influential player at our club. No matter how professional people think he might have been, I don't buy that a pissed off, want away player would perform anythiong like how he did last season. You might say that his decision that he wanted away was made before the end of the season and he still produced, but I think that he would have had the motivation to maximise his final contract (perhaps with us - more likely elsewhere). It would be inhuman not to. I think it would have been a very different proposition to maintain his mojo for a whole season while he felt he was being kept against his will and would be 30 years old once the season finished. Not to mention that he would have had to be stripped of the armband.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
We saw this with Adebayor when he had his stand out season - and he'd been rewarded with a fat new contract!
AW has a habit of getting rid of players who don't buy into his vision, whether rightly or wrongly. IMO - it sends out just as much of a message that if you screw with the club you are sold - at a price that suits AFC - as it does to keep an unhappy player - with all the potential for corroding the harmony of the team.