Good Bye RVP!

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

I can tell you because the alternative would have been Chamakh.

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Song could have played there too.

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Originally Posted by server too busy!

Ok, what if Van Persie had another injury ravaged season and managed half the games he has played. This would all be a moot point, none of the big sides would be interested yet I guarantee he would be offered another contract from us.

I know he scored some great goals this season, but a large proportion of his goals were easy chances laid on a plate to him. You can't tell me had he not been in the team that we wouldn't have scored any of his goals. On top of this I read he has missed the most goalscoring opportunities in PL, so a shit load is being created for him, opportunities that others could have scored. So no he alone didn't get us in the CL.

It is imperative that we keep him, but I can't think he would be any other teams focal point in the same way he is for us. Its a big gamble for him as well.

Also blaming the medical staff is rubbish, we seem to field 11 players every week so how is it the medical staff haven't broken them as well. How are our medical staff at fault when he is getting injured playing internationally?

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Too many people miss this point. Amid all the criticism, we are an attacking team that creates a great deal of chances. We are also a team that delivers mostly to feet. RVP is an amazing talent, but he is also the product of our team and the way it plays. Working in tight spaces suits his game (anyone who knows his football journey knows this). He would thrive at another team, but would he be so prolific? ebateable. Look at Mr '30 goal' Adebayor for an illustration.

A large proportion of his goals were not easy chances, and the thing is many of his goals demand top quality movement to get away from his marker. There's no way Chamakh or Park are capable of that sort of movement. Yes he's had his tap-ins but as a central striker you'd expect that.

Well of course if he wasn't playing we'd still score goals, but you're assuming Chamakh or Park would have gotten into the same position as he did, without getting caught offside or mistiming the run etc. I doubt that's the case.

He's missed goalscoring opportunities but so do all strikers. That doesn't detract from his achievements this season. Rooney also misses a hatful of chances.

And I don't think we create anywhere near as many clear goalscoring chances as other teams with more creative midfielders. United have Scholes, Valencia, Young, etc while City have an abundance of talent as well. While we've been relying on our defensive midfielder to create chances for van Persie, which to be fair he's done a good job of.

He may not be a focal point of other teams, but perhaps he's willing to play a more equal role in a team with a greater chance of winning trophies rather than be the big fish in a small pond?

I think we're engaging in a bit of revisionism when it comes to van Persie, so that when he leaves we can say "oh, he wasn't actually as good as we made him out to be". I agree he's nowhere near the level of Messi, Ronaldo, etc, but he's still a very good player. He has contributed to 51 goals (37 goals and 14 assists) in 47 games this season, so it's not as if he's just been waiting for the tap in like RVN.

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Originally Posted by Joker

A large proportion of his goals were not easy chances, and the thing is many of his goals demand top quality movement to get away from his marker. There's no way Chamakh or Park are capable of that sort of movement. Yes he's had his tap-ins but as a central striker you'd expect that.

Well of course if he wasn't playing we'd still score goals, but you're assuming Chamakh or Park would have gotten into the same position as he did, without getting caught offside or mistiming the run etc. I doubt that's the case.

He's missed goalscoring opportunities but so do all strikers. That doesn't detract from his achievements this season. Rooney also misses a hatful of chances, as do all strikers.

And I don't think we create anywhere near as many clear goalscoring chances as other teams with more creative midfielders. United have Scholes, Valencia, Young, etc while City have an abundance of talent as well. While we've been relying on our defensive midfielder to create chances for van Persie, which to be fair he's done a good job of.

He may not be a focal point of other teams, but perhaps he's willing to play a more equal role in a team with a greater chance of winning trophies rather than be the big fish in a small pond?

I think we're engaging in a bit of revisionism when it comes to van Persie, so that when he leaves we can say "oh, he wasn't actually as good as we made him out to be". I agree he's nowhere near the level of Messi, Ronaldo, etc, but he's still a very good player. He has contributed to 51 goals (37 goals and 14 assists) in 47 games this season, so it's not as if he's just been waiting for the tap in like RVN.

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I disagree. I think you are being misled by the way we play - which is rarely to run into acres of space like a 'counter attacking' style team does. We create shed loads of chances/goal scoring opportunites. Much of the time we then over-complicate rather than players just putting their oot through the ball.

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Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping

I disagree. I think you are being misled by the way we play - which is rarely to run into acres of space like a 'counter attacking' style team does. We create shed loads of chances/goal scoring opportunites. Much of the time we then over-complicate rather than players just putting their oot through the ball.

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Yeah you could be right tbh, maybe it just looks that United create more explicit chances because they counter-attack at pace, like we used to do.

And RE: RVP, I think you could say he got us into the Champions League in 2010-2011 as well. His second half to that season was incredible, scoring in 9 consecutive away games and ending the season with 18 premiership goals (all scored since January I believe). Given that we had an appalling collapse that season, and that at the end Spurs only finished 6 points behind us, who knows what would have happened without his goals.

If he does go, I hope someone breaks it gently to Koscielny.

So not Shreeves.

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

I think it's difficult to compare footballers to any other job.

No other job has people pay a lot of money to show up and sing your name every week.

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It isn't all it is cracked up to be.

I've had to work at home today so I could concentrate.

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Originally Posted by GB.

It isn't all it is cracked up to be.

I've had to work at home today so I could concentrate.

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"Wanker, Wanker, Wanker, Wanker!"

I work in a shit office with no fans.

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Originally Posted by GB.

It isn't all it is cracked up to be.

I've had to work at home today so I could concentrate.

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Me too. Let's do lunch!

:cheers:

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