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Originally Posted by Letters
Pretty much. All of that is fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Gooner
Anyone dare dispute it?
Didn't think so
This is all ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Gooner
He wasn't a great captain but that doesn't mean he isn't a good player. We didn't win anything but one player isn't solely responsible for the success or failure of a team. If Usain Bolt was in a 4x100 with GB, Maccy and me (sorry fellas) you wouldn't chastise him for the failure of the team as a whole.
As for him being a 'flop', he's playing for one of the best club teams in the world and the Spanish have been the best national side in the world. He might not have shone at that level but we are nowhere near that level, he could clearly do a job for us.
All that said, he's clearly not going to join us so I don't know why I bothered to write all that really.
There two Cesc Fabregas'. The one that played for us before 2009. He was the gay pass master who used to rack up about 7 million assists and everyone loved him because he got them fantasy football points. But he was a little bitch who had no balls. And then there was 2009-2011 Cesc. This Cesc was a selfish, ****y, dickhead who knew he was about 7 million times better than our other players and so did all the work himself. He used to kick the shit out of the quicker opponents (and let's face it, everyone's quicker than him) and he used to turn referees in our favour by being a superb whiny shithead.
I would love to have 2009-2011 Cesc back to show the talented but raw British core how to get the job done.
If there's any truth to this they've played it very well this window. Having completely unrealistic fallbacks in Rooney and Suarez has allowed them to skilfully dispense with the achievable signings. Clever stuff - they've had lots of practise of course. It must have been a hard task getting the balance right this year, given the £70mill war chest bollocks. Rooney was borderline, and incredibly unrealistic target but with a tiny fragment of outlandish possibility. Ronaldo, for example, would have been ludicrous even for us. The Suarez ploy has been excellent though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
And the Fabregas thing, genius. Charge £30mill, buy him back for £25mill, nothing actually changes hands I guess as Barca won't have paid us yet. That whole deal could be done on the books for a £5mill profit. When you add in the deadwood that's been dropped this could be a bumper window. If he comes we profit, if he doesn't we profit. It would be perfectly safe to sign him so I see this one as the most likely at, say, a 1% chance of being done - compared to the others which have a dramatically lower possibility.
It all stems from knowing just how much to underbid by. You need to be in the ballpark but make it just a little under. Get it wrong and the other club might suddenly agree. So kudos to our crack transfer sabotage team, nobody does it better.
He wound Phil Brown up more than any other player. That alone makes Cesc a legend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Back to usual dismissive self I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Anyway, are you saying he had a shit team around him (no dis to you Maccy and GB, blame Letters for this most dreadful anology)? I beg to differ, though, I might agree he's not solely to be blamed for the commencement of our failed period, where he led a decent team that was built around him and everything pretty much went through him.
I don't know about you and others who might have lost hope/ambition, but the level at which you hold Barca is the level at which I aspire my club to be. We weren't far off some years ago, and it's no surprise that we started to take a step down after we tried to make a player who wasn't good enough (you've pretty much admitted he's not good enough to play or shine at the top level) the hub of our team. As I said, I want my club team to regarded as one of the best in the world again, and Cesc doing a job for us won't get us there. We already have our fair share of "do a job" players a la Arteta, Ramsey, Giroud, etc.
It would be a retrograde move bringing the flop back here.
FFS! Now Bendtner is not going to Frankfurt, their sportsdirector has just made a statement where he thanks Arsene Wenger for the good dialog, but in the end Bendtner apperently is asking for to much money, even when arsenal are offering to pay some of his salary...
This guy must be the biggest idiot in the history of football and im afraid he wants to run down his contract and just live the lazy life and training with the youth team.
No one to blame but Arsenal for giving him so much money
The guy is a fucking idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
Bendtner :doh:
When does this fool's contract run out?
Hope soon, as we won't be getting rid of him till then.
I don't blame him or certain others who have hung around really. They know full well they won't ever top their Arsenal contracts again, so why not milk it?
Lets hope the club doesn't make the same mistakes in the future.
I almost detected a slightly embarrassed look on Chamcrap's face in those latest training pics. Must be thinking how the feck have I got away with this for so long!
Fuck, this is bad news. How long does wanker have left on his contract? Because obviously he intends to milk us until the last possible moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
Greedy, useless piece of shit.
No chance of that happening. I mean if Barry comes here to see out his unremarkable career he'll be on a mere £75K pw apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
This is his final season, but hopefully someone is daft enough to buy the cretin.
Apparently we paid them the market rate to make sure we keep them here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
It worked. :lol:
i think we're keeping bendtner's departure quiet so that man utd sell us rooney.
He is a cancer, and not even a very good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Bendtner is a shit cancer.
There are good cancers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
ask turbo bQuote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
I'm not saying he had a shit team around him and my analogy was a deliberate exaggeration. My point is he was not solely responsible for us not winning anything and had we not had him in that era we'd probably have been the poorer for it. We failed to win things despite him being in the team, not because he was in the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Gooner
I haven't lost hope/ambition of us becoming a real force again but it's unrealistic to think we're suddenly going to bridge the huge gulf in class between us and a team like Barca. It's stepping stones and signing good players, and Cesc clearly is one, would be a step in the right direction after so many steps in the wrong one.
Would he make us as good as Barca? Obviously not.
Would he improve our squad? I think so.
Is he the only player who could? Of course not.
I'm not desperate to see him back in an Arsenal shirt but I don't understand anyone being violently against the idea either as IMO he's improve the squad which is what we need to do.
So Lord Wenger and the boys are off to Asia for however long.... 23:59 last day rummaging of the bargain basement bin then?
I will give you everything you say here except that him coming back would be a step in the right direction. We already have 2 Spanish B listers and one that hasn't made any list in Spain, last thing we need is their biggest flop. We should be looking to remodel our team of late 90's - mid 2000's (seems to be working well for Bayern), not cram our team with lightweight duds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
On a slightly less related note, I don't understand why the ****, who's no less of a **** than RVC, Nasri, et al, gets such a free pass on here.
Pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Gooner
Arsenal :haha:
Remember when we got smashed 8-2, we went out and bought loads of players.
Hopefully some Vietmanese team destroys us.
But if it takes something like that to make the board spend, then the board can just fuck off and die
Looks like Thiago is off to Bayern.
Moyes :haha:
Can't they just fuck off and die anyway, without us losing to Vietnam (like the Americans did)Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Well it's not possible to do transfer deals when you have a tour of Asia, as Gandhi once famously pointed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Gooner
Does that mean Cesc def staying put? Can't see them selling both.
Why not? One plays in midfield and one plays upfront.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
Josh you usually talk a lot of sense, but on this one I disagree. Our midfield as it stands is filled out with the imperious majesty of Ramsey and Arteta, players who should only be employed cleaning the turns off Vieira boots. Cesc left mainly because like others he got tired of Wengers end of the rainbow promises. If we had kept Flamini and added quality instead of dross we would not be eternally scrambling for 4th. Cesc is better than anything we currently have and has added to his game since joining Barca, he now plays a mean support striker role when needed.it would be churlish to dismiss his quality, especially as there is a good chance Wenger won't buy anyone and we will have the shuffling lamppost Ramsey and doddering postbox Arteta as our mainstays in midfield again. Oh happy days!
We will also have Barry who can play there.
That was my most horrifying time as a Gooner. Should have spelled the end of Wenger's reign, but alas he was allowed to carry out more trangressions against the club by soon after signing Santos and Arteta. :ilt:Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
He plays as a striker cos he's been shown up as a midfielder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Nothing more
We should play a young team and make this happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Average age? N-n-n-n-nineteen.
Don't forget BenayounQuote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Gooner
No idea who that isQuote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Says the poster who thinks Iniesta is craps and Walcott has single handedly reaffirmed his faith in humanity. Your opinions need a pinch of something more hallucinatory than salt to be taken seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps