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Originally Posted by Jeebus
Youre right. Wenger is talking shit as usual. Last week he said that he still wanted to keep RVP and has said endlessly that he did not buy Podolksi or Giroud to replace him. If its true that RVP said that he was coming round to the idea of staying, then its disgusting that we sold him anyway. Wenger and the board are full of shit - I have no respect for them at all.
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Originally Posted by gooners
No it isnt like you describe. WENGER SAID LAST WEEK THAT HE STILL WANTED RVP TO STAY. If RVP then said he was considering staying, then why did Wenger sell him. Either hes a liar or the board dont give a shit what Wenger says
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Originally Posted by Newguy
Of course he did. When you're negotiating a sale you don't make it public you want rid.Quote:
Originally Posted by jelgoon
Duh.
Nobody here, in this current climate, would stay 'loyal' to a company that openly pays less than the going rate to its employers yet posts year upon year profit increases and is one of the richest companies in the world. Couple that with the fact that the company also likes to cut corners to keep costs low, lays of staff for financial gain while paying massive bonuses to bosses and shareholders while the workers get less than what their counterparts earn at rival companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newguy
If we continue on with this policy, we'll continue to leak players. It's been going on the far too long and the kids that started with us during the Invincible years are no more loyal than the seniors that left before them. We're running into the same sort of issues we had with Paddy, Cole and Henry. I actually think RVP has been more professional in how he's gone about things compared to the former three. In fact, with Cole, it was a massive bust up but he still signed a new deal, we kept him in the team and he continued to play for us. We sold him after the bust up. I hope this is the last time we have this sort of summer but I doubt it.
I dont agree. If a manager has agreed that someone is to be sold he makes it clear that he would not oppose a sale. Wenger went out of his way to say that he wanted to keep him which turns out to be bollocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Then why did we won't to get rid of him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Ok, I'll ignore the first part as I've never said that he was greedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
Yes, he tried to start the ball rolling on his transfer by releasing his statement.
The gagging order was for RVP's and the clubs benefit.
PHW is a cock, but he was right in what he said, that we couldn't offer silly money to keep him, which we couldn't.
Fourth richest club in the world, but by far and away the richest feeder club in the world.
I can hear Wenger already: Fourth is like a trophy.
Forget the "like" - fourth is the only trophy those parsimonious old farts are interested in.
And weaken his bargaining position?Quote:
Originally Posted by jelgoon
Think about it ffs
Serious? Because this has been answered over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
To anybody here who wouldn't change employer for twice the salary, call yourself "loyal" or "a prat" or whatever. To the rest, stfu about loyalty.
Because he fucked wenger off with his statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned before.
Everyone has their breaking point, wenger has been weak in too many summers with our players wanting to leave.
Maybe he's just had enough and RVP was the breaking point.
It's not comparable.Quote:
Originally Posted by notwist
There is no way we would have got £24m if wenger admitted that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jelgoon
Isn't it? I don't think it's that different to a 'real' job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
It wasn't the statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
If he were that hacked off about it and wanted him go, we would have at least listened to Juve and accepted a much lower bid. Why sell him to United and then talk as if we were forced into a corner? United were the only club that met our valuation and we accepted. It was the money and if every club came in with bids below £10m, we'd have probably worked out a compromise. This was business as usual and nothing to do with being hacked off. Again, think about what Wenger said earlier in the season about whether or not RVP would be worth a massive wage increase.
Because it's not that different and it's pretty simple. If your company is making billions each year but cutting corners with staff and paying below the going rate, you wouldn't stay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
What makes it different is that it's the difference between £100k a WEEK and £200k a WEEK.
How much sodding money do you need?! But humans are, by nature, greedy and if you know you could double your salary by moving jobs then most people would even if their first salary was ridiculous.
Secondly, in my job I don't have hundreds of thousands of people idolising me. But hey, if I did and I knew that at the other job I'd have hundreds of thousands of other people idolising me then maybe I wouldn't care that much that the first hundreds of thousands of people would now boo the shit out of me.
It's a shame though, he could have been an Arsenal legend now he's just another player who came and went when a big enough cheque was waved at them.
Juve pulled out because they weren't able to match out asking price. RVP also was reported to not want to go there due to the troubles with the coach.
Why should we just accept whatever pittance we get offered?
If they did that then everyone would be moaning that we got shafted on the fee, just like last summer with cesc.
The BBC reported that he was coming round to the idea of staying, but after he released his statement wenger didn't want him to stay, so he told him before the cologne game that he didn't feature in his plans and would be sold if his fee was met.
Utd met the fee and that was the only club the RVP wanted to go to.
Okay, so you'd be happy if a guy with the same job title as you, same experience, same age...maybe younger, earned double of what you earned? You're living comfortable on what you earn but wouldn't it tick you off that some guy right next to you is earning double and you do the same role? Why has the company placed such a low value on what you do?
RVP was the highest paid player at arsenal though wasn't he.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Where there you go. It was about money and that took priority over the statement or any 'insult'. If it wasn't about the money we wouldn't have sold him to our nearest rivals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Yep. The statement sealed his fate. Without it he would still be here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
podolski was signed in march, giroud in june, statement in july. those are facts we have. you ahve no idea when the club knew about the statement, either on the day or months before. so with those facts because they are all we have, they werent bought to replace rvpQuote:
Originally Posted by gooners
http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/i...rsenal-demands
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To stay at Arsenal, Captain Robin wanted bigger wages than Yaya Toure !
Yaya is on 240K ! Incredible.
King Robin wanted to leave so much, apparently, that he made crazy demands.
Impossible demands.
He demanded a £5m loyalty bonus, plus £13m a year, a new right back, a new centreback, and his own Dutch physio shipped in to work with him full-time, paid for by the club!
He wanted £250,000 a week, more than Manchester United are playing him.
I reckon Van Persie will struggle to adapt up there.
Glad he's gone before the Sunderland game.
When Gary Jacob told me almost 8 weeks ago that agent Kees Vos had agreed a contract for Robin van Persie with Man United, I believed it immediately.
Gary's reliable, knows what's going on and what's*not going on.
It was one of those emails that you don't forget and and it arrived about*6.30pm on the Saturday before Italy played England in Kiev*:
RVP: I am hearing that man u have agreed a contract with him.
Have to admit that my reaction contained Anglo-Saxon*expletives and blasphemy.
But I really hoped the saga wouldn’t last till September 1st.
It hasn’t.
For this relief, much thanks.
so graham hunter has just done an interview where he says thishttp://media.newstalk.ie/listenback/...niqueID=405786 link for it.Quote:
RVP told CESC last summer 'Happy to be captain but 1 more year of no trophies and I'm off'. Spoke with Man Utd since Jan"
so he whored himself out without our permission etc. kind of shows what a **** he is and that wenger and the board are blameless
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Originally Posted by Jeebus
On £90k a week I think. Or was it £70k? Cesc and Henry earned more than him while they were here and then we have the issue with his counterparts at rival clubs. They earn double and none of them were PFA players last year either. Would you stay on £90k a week and you're approaching 30 when a rival club that can actually win something and won't sell off key players every year are offering to double your wages?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
It's very different. Ultimately whether moving for a pay rise is 'worth it' is dependent on preferences and there's no right answer. But the factors, and what you value, going for a payrise at £40k a year compared to £80k a week is likely to be far more favourable in an ethical sense. It all comes down to the marginal value of expenditure - obviously footballers would have a completely different reference point about an 'acceptable' lifestyle. But even taking that into account, for the large amount of money we are talking about, we reach a point where you can spend as much as you want, but the return on that money begins to slow because there's only so much you can't afford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
if you spend 7 years telling the world you are an arsenal fan, release pictures of you as a kid wearing the kit and then again this year a loyal fucking fan would pay his team to play, he would stay for 90k.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
What do you think was said after we sold Cesc, Clichy and Nasri in one window? Nobody was happy and we knew this was on the cards. The burden was on the club to prove that we're a club capable of challenging for the title so they're not blameless.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Maybe Wenger wanted to keep him, but could also see that he club doesnt crumble without him and he could get replacements in.
Lets not be niave...You know as a manager if one of your players will sign or not. Wenger is going to say we want to keep him to keep his stock as high as possible due to the statement from RvC knocked off 5-10 million that a foreign club would have paid (in this scenario the club knew he wouldnt sign but didnt think he would release such a statement)
In that scenario we may have wanted to sell him..bottom line is he's gone..it crazy to suggest that wages werent discussed because then RvP released a statement for no reason whatsoever as surely Podolski and Giroud are signs that we are trying to strengthen. It actually makes it more strange why the statement was brought out. Did we tell him that we were not signing any players (lie to him) to get him to release the statement then sign players afterwards to make him look silly???? Sounds a bit far fetched to me. Did he not rate the players we said we were bringing in? Sounds more likely especially as the statement was released after the 2 signings were made (I think).
During those talks before the signings and the statement I think we didnt want to (not couldnt afford) to pay 200k a week for a player coming off one good season and 7 injury plagued ones. Is he worth 200k for 4 yrs to us?? Not in my opinion, not after what i saw at the euros, but thats just me.
If Wenger bought Podolski and Giroud to replace RvC then it' becasue RvC wasnt going to sign...the statement regardless of what anyone thinks would piss off any club and I get the feeling Wenger thought fuck it if we get 20+ we'll sell you.
To say the statement means nothing is folly, he should have said nothing...I would have then been able to give him the same benefit of the doubt you are now...but I dont even care that much because he aint even an Arsenal player anymore...fuck it..i watched how we played with Cazorla, Podolski, Theo, Chamberlain and Giroud and we looked pretty capable. I saw how RvC looked when he came on and we looked pretty basic, an RvC like that would have been no good to us had we forced him to see out his contract and having to sell him to Juve for 12m because the punk releases a statement aint happening either because regardless of if we want him or not, he's worth more than that and we have to get the most for him.
There were lots of (genuinely) ITK posters on Twitter saying that once bonuses etc. were taken into account, RVP was paid a lot more than most people think.
so its fine for our club captain to talk to our rivals when under contract with us to get himself a deal? ok thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
:lol: Really? So if Arsenal offered to pay you £3.50 an hour to play on a full time contract and you become one of the best players for the club, you'd stay on that and it's your main source of income?Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
I get all that and don't entirely disagree, it's not going to make any difference to his lifestyle. But isn't there a principle of 'market rate' and feeling valued? And, frankly, he's gone to a club with far greater prospects of trophies than we have. For him it's not a bad move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
There are of course issues of loyalty to an employer who has stuck by him through persistent injury problems. I can't decide how big a part that should play in his decision. Would we show loyalty to a company who has given us the training/experience which has allowed us to get a better job?
Don't equate £3.50 an hour to £90k a week. That's perverse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
yes i would but thats me. as an arsenal fan i would give anything to play for htem, thats what van persie told us he was yet he decided to fuck us over. for 90k a week, any arsenal fan would play and not move imo, if they do move out of choice for more money and ot a rival then they are not a fanQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
That's not really a valid comparison. When you're on £100k a week (or thereabouts) a pay rise isn't going to change your quality of life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory