Good Bye RVP!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Letters

Anyone with half a brain knows that anything Man City 'achieve' is empty and meaningless. Luckily for them most players, and quite a lot of fans, have less than half a brain so they don't care.

I give RvP a bit more credit.

---

i think you are way off on this.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Letters

Anyone with half a brain knows that anything Man City 'achieve' is empty and meaningless. Luckily for them most players, and quite a lot of fans, have less than half a brain so they don't care.

I give RvP a bit more credit.

---

But at the end of his career it won't say "meaningless" next to the trophies he's won. And if he's given a choice between real trophies and the pre-season Emirates Cup triumph, I don't think he'll turn down the former in favour of the latter.
And it's a bit harsh to say anyone who doesn't agree that City's titles are "meaningless" is an idiot. It's a moral position that you've taken which is absolutely fine, but not everyone may feel the same way. We've seen teams spend a lot of money and not win trophies in the past (like Lazio and Real Madrid) so it's not as if spending money is the be all and end all.

But anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree because I've said the same thing before and people seem to get really annoyed by it for some reason.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

i think you are way off on this.

---

If RvP goes to City then you're right, I am.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Letters

Anyone with half a brain knows that anything Man City 'achieve' is empty and meaningless. Luckily for them most players, and quite a lot of fans, have less than half a brain so they don't care.

I give RvP a bit more credit.

---

Not only that but people with whole brains know it too!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Letters

If RvP goes to City then you're right, I am.

---

regardless of the money spent, if i was a player that had worked my arse off all season to win something, there is no way i would look at the achievement as shallow. vincent kompany couldn't have sounded more genuine with his thoughts about winning the title.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Joker

But at the end of his career it won't say "meaningless" next to the trophies he's won. And if he's given a choice between real trophies and the pre-season Emirates Cup triumph, I don't think he'll turn down the former in favour of the latter.
And it's a bit harsh to say anyone who doesn't agree that City's titles are "meaningless" is an idiot. It's a moral position that you've taken which is absolutely fine, but not everyone may feel the same way. We've seen teams spend a lot of money and not win trophies in the past (like Lazio and Real Madrid) so it's not as if spending money is the be all and end all.

But anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree because I've said the same thing before and people seem to get really annoyed by it for some reason.

---

It's not a moral position. I'm not saying anything about whether what they're doing is 'right' or not. (It isn't, while we're here, but City didn't create the cirumstances in which this sort of thing can go on. There's a lot wrong with the modern game which isn't City's fault but they are exploiting it).

Which is more impressive, City spending a billion pounds and 'winning' the title or Newcastle finishing 5th or Swansea finishing in mid-table? Chelsea proved the point that money can buy success. City have shown you can do it with any club if you pump in enough money for long enough (And yes yes, you need a good manager but that costs money too. It all comes back to the money)

you are talking from a fans perspective, which of course is the only angle we have - but a professional would view it completely differently i'd imagine.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Joker

But at the end of his career it won't say "meaningless" next to the trophies he's won. And if he's given a choice between real trophies and the pre-season Emirates Cup triumph, I don't think he'll turn down the former in favour of the latter.
And it's a bit harsh to say anyone who doesn't agree that City's titles are "meaningless" is an idiot. It's a moral position that you've taken which is absolutely fine, but not everyone may feel the same way. We've seen teams spend a lot of money and not win trophies in the past (like Lazio and Real Madrid) so it's not as if spending money is the be all and end all.

But anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree because I've said the same thing before and people seem to get really annoyed by it for some reason.

---

Your right its not about City Spending the money being the problem, its the fact people want to spalff over it and seem to think they did it without the money and that it was all skill.

I don't know RVP's mind but i don't think he'd go to city he just not do that to us he just seems to loyal to do that. Where as Nasri never really had no loyalty to us anyway.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

you are talking from a fans perspective, which of course is the only angle we have - but a professional would view it completely differently i'd imagine.

---

Not so sure. Triumph in adversity has always carried more weight than pre-arranged triumph. It would have been fairly remarkable had city NOT won it. That fact they have is predictable enough. It's true you still have to build a team and get it to gel but when you can keep on dropping £250k a week pay packets until you get it right and at the same time weaken your opponents it all becomes a matter of time and expenditure. Same goes for Utd, the chavs and even us in comparison to a team like Swansea (although they probably pent more than us net). But the margins have been made so wide now you can't really call it competition any more, not in a sporting sense. Financially yes, they kicked everyone's arse bar Utds.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Not so sure. Triumph in adversity has always carried more weight than pre-arranged triumph. It would have been fairly remarkable had city NOT won it. That fact they have is predictable enough. It's true you still have to build a team and get it to gel but when you can keep on dropping £250k a week pay packets until you get it right and at the same time weaken your opponents it all becomes a matter of time and expenditure. Same goes for Utd, the chavs and even us in comparison to a team like Swansea (although they probably pent more than us net). But the margins have been made so wide now you can't really call it competition any more, not in a sporting sense. Financially yes, they kicked everyone's arse bar Utds.

---

you are right, success through adversity does feel sweeter but you cannot diminish the hard leg work put in on a literal level as a player on the pitch. whether or not you have the best team around you, the running, tackling, blood, sweat and tears required to win in the prem are still required. if it was that easy, they would've gone over 100 points undefeated. having the money makes things easier, i agree but if i was a man city player that had to put in a 40+ game shift in a season, a trophy at the end of it would feel absolutely fantastic - and i can't see why i would want to compare it to winning it any other way in that moment as i would feel i completely earned it.