Liverpool have overtaken us now!

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I think that group had a god enough run. They a had few seasons together but even if Wenger had kept that core together longer, I seriously doubt they’d have won much. Cesc, RVP and Theo joined the club when we still had Henry, Bergkamp and Pires playing for us and they kept seeing the same problem. Injuries, a lack of activity in the transfer window, contract talks turning sour, the same tactics and being very slow to react to change. We should have learned our lesson years ago but the same problems we had then still haunt us now. In fact, the more this team gel and the more efficient they become in Wengerball, the worse they get.

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Problem is not the team, problem is Wengerball. It is slow, tedious and toothless. You could put an insomniac to sleep with the sideways passing we do all day. There is only one solution to this though for Arsene... buy more CAM's- Draxler is definitely coming home now!

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Originally Posted by Özil's Panoramic View

Are you by any chance Jamaican?

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No but I'm happy to lend a word or two in times like these. They know how to curse them Jamo's....

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Originally Posted by LDG

Eh?

They've sold Torres, Alonso, Macherano to name a few in recent seasons.

They've kept two players. Two. And both of them were very much whoring themselves at one point or another. It's not like anyone has come steaming in for Gerrard over the last couple of years either!

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Mate. Get current. The reason they are challenging for the title is that they kept their most important player in the Summer. Imagine if we'd kept RVP; or Fabregas.

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

It wasn't the fact that we missed out on the player that's annoyed everyone - on some level, I think a lot of Arsenal fans actually think 'good on Liverpool' for actually holding one of these selfish multi-millionaires to their contracts (plus we're Arsenal fans, so we miss out on everyone) - it was things like the entirely unnecessary 'What are they smoking at the Emirates?' comment, and all the former players and newspaper hacks who were lining up to have a pop at us for being disrespectful / insulting / classless / etc that have done it. Somehow we came out of it looking like total arse-holes, when in actual fact we hadn't done anything wrong? I don't suppose we'll get a single, solitary apology from anyone in the press or media though...

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Here, here....good chap.

Henry played the ignorance, what do you mean clause card nicely...... He could have been Clinton denying that chick licked his weiner with the way he was going on.

Not to mention the fact that in business terms verbal agreements do actually hold legal weight....though it transpired that it counted for toffee in this case at the expense of our rep.

I don't dismiss the influence and shortcomings of the manager, but I am suggesting that the premise, alone, of keeping some of his best...would have saved at least a few of his blushes at least, over the past few years.

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Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice

I don't dismiss the influence and shortcomings of the manager, but I am suggesting that the premise, alone, of keeping some of his best...would have saved at least a few of his blushes at least, over the past few years.

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It's systematic problems. Somehow we've managed to crock all of our key players and run others completely into the ground. We had an abundance of midfield options and somehow we now find ourselves short. Even if we'd have kept a few players, I doubt Wenger would rotate enough so we have players ready on the bench in good form and ready to do a job.

We also need to find out why so many of our players are picking long injuries. Something isn't right behind the scenes. The same things keep happening and I can't bank on things being any different next year or with more players.

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Originally Posted by IBK

Even if were only...

How you keep a local, talismanic talent like Gerard for so long?

How you keep a world class want away striker even though there's no guaranteed CL football?

How do you keep a threadbare squad fit enough to sustain a challenge?

- Liverpool have raised genuine questions about how we have operated in the face of the billionaires that we like to use as an excuse.

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Yep, it's a concern that we seem to let our star players leave so easily.

Whilst what Liverpool did was very underhand regarding Suarez, I admire them for keeping him and then getting him to sign a new contract. If he does go now and I really do not think he will, Liverpool could easily command a world record fee for him.

Rodgers has Liverpool playing as a team, when it has come to the crucial games they have pretty much stepped up, especially in the business end of the season.

I agree, moreover if we are to judge Wenger on a "results" only basis then he has to step up big time IMHO, he's not doing his job properly.

I don't think we would have won the league but I think we would have picked up a shiny spoon or two...

The injuries are worrying and something I reserve opinion on to a large extent as I'm hardly a health specialist..... I have no real idea how much of it is to do with what we're doing in training. You'd think the pretty triangle passing drill isn't that gruelling.

Felix Megath has some form with gruelling training regimes so if he remains I'd be interested to see if his squad drop like flies or not....

Fine margins really......well a 10 million discrepancy is no fine margin by a mere mortals standards....but I think that was the difference between Liverpool screaming blue murder and mugging us off and getting the bloke.... despite the fact I didn't want him here for personal reasons.

Nobody would have a chance to sign him for 50 million now never mind 40 million and a sixpence.

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Originally Posted by selassie

Yep, it's a concern that we seem to let our star players leave so easily.

Whilst what Liverpool did was very underhand regarding Suarez, I admire them for keeping him and then getting him to sign a new contract. If he does go now and I really do not think he will, Liverpool could easily command a world record fee for him.

Rodgers has Liverpool playing as a team, when it has come to the crucial games they have pretty much stepped up, especially in the business end of the season.

I agree, moreover if we are to judge Wenger on a "results" only basis then he has to step up big time IMHO, he's not doing his job properly.

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Yep. Its all about momentum. Like it or not, Liverpool have stepped up while we flatter to deceive.