Angriest You've Been This Season

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

If Ramsey moved to Leicester, if he was installed in the center, do you think he would play backwards and sideways all the time? What about Walcott? If he moved to Man City would his role be to come deep and pick up the ball with his back to goal? Do these players lack intelligence or are they fucked over by a higher "intelligence"?

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I can't really answer that. What's the point in speculating? We're in the here and now. You won't find me putting up much of a fight when it comes to Wenger. I've lost a lot of respect for his ability and have zero faith in him. But I don't think the players are as shackled to a philosophy as we assume. Look how Elneny is playing as CM and contrast that with what Ramsey's been doing. How comes it's so damn drastic? How comes they function so damn differently but are supposed to be playing the same role? Why is it that Cazorla is able to step into that role and adjust his game to sit deeper and not always look to be in the final third/box but Ramsey can't? Now that Elneny has arrived, how comes he knows what that role requires but Ramsey doesn't? I blame the manager for not slapping Ramsey and not correcting him but where is the self analysis from Ramsey? It really does piss me off.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

If Ramsey moved to Leicester, if he was installed in the center, do you think he would play backwards and sideways all the time? What about Walcott? If he moved to Man City would his role be to come deep and pick up the ball with his back to goal? Do these players lack intelligence or are they fucked over by a higher "intelligence"?

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Little bit both. But my impression of Wenger is that he doesn't give players that much direction, he just lets them play their game. So they don't get off the hook, they can surely see that moving the ball so slowly isn't working. Move it quicker you twats. I don't agree with an earlier post where you said that every time we get a clear sight of goal we pass it sideways. The big problem I see is we're not getting enough clear sights of goals and that's because we move the ball forward so slowly that by the time we get to the edge of the area there's a wall of defenders to get through. We don't stretch teams enough. Surely the players don't need to be told that.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I can't really answer that. What's the point in speculating? We're in the here and now. You won't find me putting up much of a fight when it comes to Wenger. I've lost a lot of respect for his ability and have zero faith in him. But I don't think the players are as shackled to a philosophy as we assume. Look how Elneny is playing as CM and contrast that with what Ramsey's been doing. How comes it's so damn drastic? How comes they function so damn differently but are supposed to be playing the same role? Why is it that Cazorla is able to step into that role and adjust his game to sit deeper and not always look to be in the final third/box but Ramsey can't? Now that Elneny has arrived, how comes he knows what that role requires but Ramsey doesn't? I blame the manager for not slapping Ramsey and not correcting him but where is the self analysis from Ramsey? It really does piss me off.

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Let's look at Elneny. He's a CL player, don't forget. He arrived here and Wenger promptly stated he wasn't ready for the PL. Is Elneny playing because he's another of those happy wins forced on Wenger by injuries? Let's give him another year under Wenger and see what happens. I think we both know.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Little bit both. But my impression of Wenger is that he doesn't give players that much direction, he just lets them play their game. So they don't get off the hook, they can surely see that moving the ball so slowly isn't working. Move it quicker you twats. I don't agree with an earlier post where you said that every time we get a clear sight of goal we pass it sideways. The big problem I see is we're not getting enough clear sights of goals and that's because we move the ball forward so slowly that by the time we get to the edge of the area there's a wall of defenders to get through. We don't stretch teams enough. Surely the players don't need to be told that.

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Even if that was true it would mean we have a massive problem surely? A manager that doesn't manage? I don't buy it. I believe he manages to a micro level. He has his finger in every pie. I think he should just go away. The slow game thing is him. These players can play with pace if need be. We've seen it. Look at the last 10 mins against Watford. How can we suddenly play like that? Are we saying the players can't be arsed for 80 minutes? Then suddenly, with the freedom they are granted by Wenger, they decide to play? So if that's true it;s Wenger's fault again. He should be slaughtering them for wasting 80 minutes, and then doing something about it.

It's him.

I agree that respecting Wenger and sentiment should be secondary that's why I think he should go at the end of this season and not let things drag out till the end of his contract.

But I maintain, that if he stepped down and by doing so tacitly admitted the delusion and incompetence you have correctly pinpointed, I think he'd go a long way to redeeming himself in my eyes and the Villa home game should under such circumstances be an unequivocal homage paying ceremony (as Malcolm Tucker would say the soapy tit wank goodbye).

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

It was INEVITABLE that Wenger would fuck up. Inevitable.

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Yeah. Just like it was INEVITABLE we would be 10 points off the top after 8 games (we weren't).
Or that we were out of the CL after the first two group games (we weren't).
Both things you confidently predicted.

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So yeah, pat yourself on the back if you like about your 'prescience' but many of your predictions have been wrong this season. You were as hopeful as a lot of us that Wenger could push us on 2 years ago, you backed his contract extension on the back of the FA Cup. Maybe you lost patience with him earlier than me, there is a case that he should have been sacked last year because of the lack of a title challenge. I think the FA Cup bought him one last chance. But it wasn't INEVITABLE that it would go wrong because 2 years ago the goalposts changed. The new financial power HAS made a difference - to the transfer dealings (Ozil and Sanchez, one of the highest net spends in the league) and the trophy cabinet. It wasn't a given that Wenger would fail to push us on to the bigger prizes. He's done it before, we all hoped he'd do it again. It's increasingly clear he can't but that doesn't mean it was obvious all along he wouldn't or that everything he's done in the last 10 years has been wrong.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Even if that was true it would mean we have a massive problem surely? A manager that doesn't manage? I don't buy it. I believe he manages to a micro level. He has his finger in every pie. I think he should just go away. The slow game thing is him. These players can play with pace if need be. We've seen it. Look at the last 10 mins against Watford. How can we suddenly play like that? Are we saying the players can't be arsed for 80 minutes? Then suddenly, with the freedom they are granted by Wenger, they decide to play? So if that's true it;s Wenger's fault again. He should be slaughtering them for wasting 80 minutes, and then doing something about it.

It's him.

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I'm more inclined to agree with Letters here but actually would suggest that it's a damning inditement. Although we are starting to see it in the big games there isn't a sense of managing a team to play an opponent....going out to play your game is essentially the same as short passing, slow build up to players that are more technical than pace.

I do blame the players in the sense that how can they not have the hunger to put it on the line despite the lack of direction from the manager, but ultimately why are we paying him 8million a year not to manage.

I do think there is an overriding style template imposed by Wenger to emulate Guardiolas tikka takka game, but I think the template has been twisted and there isn't one consistent style of play other than shoehorning players into the same formation, instead of dropping Ramsey playing him on the right....one of countless examples of playing players in wide positions who've no business being there....Arshavin, Cazorla etc who invariably cut inside and make the play narrower.

To a degree Sanchez does it as well, and we largely reliant on Monreal and Bellerin to put in crosses.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Yeah. Just like it was INEVITABLE we would be 10 points off the top after 8 games (we weren't).
Or that we were out of the CL after the first two group games (we weren't).
Both things you confidently predicted.

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So yeah, pat yourself on the back if you like about your 'prescience' but many of your predictions have been wrong this season. You were as hopeful as a lot of us that Wenger could push us on 2 years ago, you backed his contract extension on the back of the FA Cup. Maybe you lost patience with him earlier than me, there is a case that he should have been sacked last year because of the lack of a title challenge. I think the FA Cup bought him one last chance. But it wasn't INEVITABLE that it would go wrong because 2 years ago the goalposts changed. The new financial power HAS made a difference - to the transfer dealings (Ozil and Sanchez, one of the highest net spends in the league) and the trophy cabinet. It wasn't a given that Wenger would fail to push us on to the bigger prizes. He's done it before, we all hoped he'd do it again. It's increasingly clear he can't but that doesn't mean it was obvious all along he wouldn't or that everything he's done in the last 10 years has been wrong.

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My predictions haven't been wrong at all. The timing was wrong, that's all. But I won't be patting myself on the back. It's no great thing to predict an outcome that happens every year. As for the losing patience thing, you're right, this has timed out differently for individual fans. This patience will have been built on several things, but not results. Once the inertia has been overcome it gives you a chance to look at the whole. He should have been sacked years ago. Some fans saw it early and I don't think back-patting is warranted there either. I doubt any of them wanted to see the manager collapse in the way he has. I can't imagine there's a single Arsenal fan that wouldn't have wanted to see Wenger's early years being duplicated in the later years. Regardless of when individuals eventually twigged (and both of us are latecomers) Wenger's record is appalling. All the shit he served up prior to this season was a clear enough indicator of just how massively he might fuck up. This season he has delivered what every season before has threatened. I'm not going to list all the reasons why this season confirms just how poor he is.

Speaking of strikers...

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger reveals he tried signing Everton star Romelu Lukaku

ARSENE WENGER has revealed ahead of the trip to Goodison Park that he tried to sign Romelu Lukaku when he was still playing in Belgium.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/footb...er-News-Gossip

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another one

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Originally Posted by Munchies

Speaking of strikers...

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger reveals he tried signing Everton star Romelu Lukaku

ARSENE WENGER has revealed ahead of the trip to Goodison Park that he tried to sign Romelu Lukaku when he was still playing in Belgium.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/footb...er-News-Gossip

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another one

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Why doesn't he shut up? His own fans are laughing at him. All of football is laughing at him.