March Reaction V Bournemouth Away

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Originally Posted by Letters

As always you spoil a more or less reasonable point with hyperbole. We have players who have won World Cups in our team and no professional footballer gets to anywhere near Arsenal's level without wanting to win.

But they don't seem to want it enough and we have no captain to get them going when things aren't going well.

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How many members of the Portugal squad that won the Euros can you name? How about the German team that won the WC? Just because someone played 15 minutes in every match doesnt make them a winner. Hunger to win and a hatred to lose are something very few people have- Vieira, Henry, Keane, Cantona, Drogba, Ronaldo, Messi, Sanchez, Suarez, Zidane etc are some recent known players. Ozil, Mustafi and Per won a WC but I dont see the hatred of losing in them. Nothing wrong in not having it... some people do, some dont.

Unfortunately with our team managed by the mediocrity champion, you need more than one Sanchez to challenge for the title. Our squad barring Sanchez needs a proper football manager to 'want to make them win'. Since our dinosaur is not moving anywhere, I can only hope we can get a couple more Sanchezs.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

He's had some dodgy games. Beaten too easily on his near post. I trust him more than Ospina but anymore blunders and he should probably get dropped to the bench.

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My problem isn't with benching Cech, for what it's worth for my money he has been quite suspect and I think unless you're being beaten by someone who has a thunderbolt of a shot you shouldn't be being beaten as a keeper at your near post.

I do not rate Ospina, I think the guy is a total calamity. I like the young Argentine we have as third choice I would be much happier giving him a run if we dropped Cech

It boils down to mentality, sure everyone wants to win, obviously, but I think it definitely hurts certain types of players more when they fail.

Giroud and Alexis' contrasting emotions last night being the perfect example. You can bet if Alexis had scored the equaliser he would be been the first one back for kick off.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

My problem isn't with benching Cech, for what it's worth for my money he has been quite suspect and I think unless you're being beaten by someone who has a thunderbolt of a shot you shouldn't be being beaten as a keeper at your near post.

I do not rate Ospina, I think the guy is a total calamity. I like the young Argentine we have as third choice I would be much happier giving him a run if we dropped Cech

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I feel a bit for Cech. When all is said and done, he's a quiet, unassuming chap but he's a winner. He's dejected when we've lost. He's disappointed. However, he doesn't sulk like Ozil or whine like Sanchez (who are the other two players in our squad generally accepted as unanimously world class)

He hasn't been exposed to as many shots in his career as he has at Arsenal. Your keeper shouldn't have to make 5 world class saves every game. If the near post is his Achilles heel then I can live with that. He's the most complete 'keeper we've had since Big Dave

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Originally Posted by Dicks and chicks

Lol

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Spurs winning makes makes last nights result worse for me :( They are better than us now if we ar being honest. I am dreading work tomorrow. Wenger out.

Was saying yesterday this could be the season where we drop out of the top 4. We have 5 teams all capable of hitting 70 points. We dropped out of the CL place last night with that Spurs victory and we've still got to worry about Man Utd who are only 2 points behind us.

Board have waited too long to get rid of Wenger. He's not ready for this level of competition.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Was saying yesterday this could be the season where we drop out of the top 4. We have 5 teams all capable of hitting 70 points. We dropped out of the CL place last night with that Spurs victory and we've still got to worry about Man Utd who are only 2 points behind us.

Board have waited too long to get rid of Wenger. He's not ready for this level of competition.

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I could be made to eat my words but Wenger always seems to get top four, when it comes to this non achievement he is unsurpassed.....it's like when we are struggling for the top four suddenly the performances are strong, the mentality is strong and the wins happen. Because this is the only thing he is under pressure to achieve.


That said frankly, i think most of us would take not finishing in the top four if it meant Wenger would walk (and I say walk because I don't see any circumstances under which the board would get rid of him). That's not to say I hope we finish outside the top four, I just could see the silver lining if we did.

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Originally Posted by Noel_Quinn

Plainly players are allowed to relax and set their own comfort zones at this club. Play when they want, skive when they fancy it, have whole seasons off, claim injury at the slightest twinge, it's one hell of an easy life at Wenger's Arsenal, that's for sure.

I wanted Vidal here because he'd be like Alexis, a self-motivator who wouldn't give a shit about Wenger's holiday camp attitude. Alexis gets the shit kicked out of him every game and he gets the hump if he's prevented from turning up for more. Giroud is getting the plaudits after this latest farce but it was Alexis who decided to put his foot down and start demonstrating the supposed gap between the millionaire internationals at this club and the honest but (supposedly) limited team from Bournemouth.

It was embarrassing the way they passed around us today as if we were the mid-table fillers. Even more embarrassing (though painfully familiar) to watch Wenger shrugging his shoulders and losing his temper over being outthought by Howe.

The big question here is, with the exception of Alexis, where is the fire in these players? Why aren't they humiliated by performances like this, the first 70 minutes anyway? You could say they showed passion in the end but all off the back of Alexis, if he hadn't been on that pitch we wouldn't have scored one, let alone three.

It all starts at the top, the owner who couldn't give a shit about the game of football. Then the manager who would much rather moan about the fixture list that say fuck it, bring 'em all on! This rotten attitude hangs over the place and smothers the players. I wonder is Ozil even ill, or is he just having a Winter break on the sly? And where has Theo gone again? What about Coquelin? Can he really only give us 5 minutes of football between injuries these days? Did you see Alexis' ankle after that cunt of an Argie tried to break it in the Copa final? The guy played the whole match and then he jumped on a plane back to training with us in no time flat.

Are we seriously, I mean fucking seriously, dithering around over re-signing this guy? The way things stand he's the only bloke in the whole place, from top to bottom, we can depend on. Give him the fucking money already. Jesus!

Who are we going to get to replace him? Another softie who likes the comfortable life? We're like a rest home for players between clubs.

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Great post/Everything youve written is spot on.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I could be made to eat my words but Wenger always seems to get top four, when it comes to this non achievement he is unsurpassed.....it's like when we are struggling for the top four suddenly the performances are strong, the mentality is strong and the wins happen. Because this is the only thing he is under pressure to achieve.


That said frankly, i think most of us would take not finishing in the top four if it meant Wenger would walk (and I say walk because I don't see any circumstances under which the board would get rid of him). That's not to say I hope we finish outside the top four, I just could see the silver lining if we did.

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We will finish at worst 4th, that I have no doubt. It's the one source of pride Wenger still has and I doubt he's giving that up without a fight.

I would 100% take a year out of the CL if it meant Wenger leaving. Is it really that bad anyway? What if it meant being fresh for a title challenge the following year like Chelsea are now? The top 4 is interchangeable these days and not a lock like it was several years ago. I doubt we'd be out in the wilderness for the foreseeable future if we missed out this year.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

We will finish at worst 4th, that I have no doubt. It's the one source of pride Wenger still has and I doubt he's giving that up without a fight.

I would 100% take a year out of the CL if it meant Wenger leaving. Is it really that bad anyway? What if it meant being fresh for a title challenge the following year like Chelsea are now? The top 4 is interchangeable these days and not a lock like it was several years ago. I doubt we'd be out in the wilderness for the foreseeable future if we missed out this year.

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Me too, but I wouldn't really want Europa League though.

I would take a year out of Europe if it meant a change of manager and a decent crack at the league.