If they stayed....(Nasri & Fabregas)?

You're assuming that he wants the money based on press rumours and nothing more than that.

His words are that he wants to challenge for trophies, and doesn't believe we're doing that or making the right steps to do so. Van Persie made the same noises.

If he was offered such a good contract before the season, which was 'much more than he was worth', why wouldn't he take it if he was all about the money?

Clichy who hardly strikes you as someone being interested in money went to Man Citeh. Why? For the football project.

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Originally Posted by LDG

With the greatest respect, you're either trying desperately not to concede the point, or you're just stupid :lol:

i) Offer on the table, well before contract expiry
ii) 90k. Much more than he was worth
iii) He'd done nothing of note to deserve that
iv) He himself said we were the best team last year. Why would he say that, and not want to stay with the so called "best team"
v) He was part of the collapse

So. Forget the 250k. What was it he wanted....I think it was parity with Cesc if rumour is to be believed. We said fuck off, and rightly so.

But as soon as a whiff of MORE than Cesc gets is on the table, he reverses his stance from "we're the best team", "I want parity with Cesc" and says he's off, it;s not about money, it's about ambition

with the greatest respect to you Zimm (and you make a lot of valid points) you're completely wrong here.

He wants the money. It's all it's about.

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i) He didn't sign, clearly he had doubts
ii) Debatable looking at salaries at moment and his performance last season (for part of it at least, also Man U interested)
iii) Neither have a lot of players on that amount, didn't he win an award last season at least?
iv) I don't recall that, but words are words and often said in the heat of the moment, Bendtner etc were saying all kinds of sh*t and yet want to leave now.
v) As I've already said it's a team game, the manager is to blame for this IMO.

We'll have to disagree on this, for a start the Man U rumour was stronger yet he could get more at City, this alone shows he wants trophies.

What was and wasn't offered and was said is hard to gauge, but what's clear is there's little harmony at the club (you can see that from the things players have said and done), why would you want to stay with us if Man U come knocking?

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Originally Posted by Boss

You're assuming that he wants the money based on press rumours and nothing more than that.

His words are that he wants to challenge for trophies, and doesn't believe we're doing that or making the right steps to do so. Van Persie made the same noises.

If he was offered such a good contract before the season, which was 'much more than he was worth', why wouldn't he take it if he was all about the money?

Clichy who hardly strikes you as someone being interested in money went to Man Citeh. Why? For the football project.

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Again great post, City do have a lot of money for sure, but the appeal is also that they are clearly moving in the right direction and want to win all the big trophies (albeit using large amounts of cash).

I don't think players care about the fact trophies are won with big spending, a medal is a medal at the end of the day and at the end of your career noone will say they're not proper medals.

Plus the chance to play with top top players is also appealing.

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Originally Posted by Boss

You're assuming that he wants the money based on press rumours and nothing more than that.

His words are that he wants to challenge for trophies, and doesn't believe we're doing that or making the right steps to do so. Van Persie made the same noises.

If he was offered such a good contract before the season, which was 'much more than he was worth', why wouldn't he take it if he was all about the money?

Clichy who hardly strikes you as someone being interested in money went to Man Citeh. Why? For the football project.

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Why wouldn't he take it?? Because he wanted more of course! Deary me. That's why he wouldn't sign it!

Clichy? Was on his way out anyway. Plus he was shit for us. And I really couldn't give two hoots about him. And if you wanna twist the tables....then if Wenger was desperate to keep hold of him, why didn't he do what he's doing with Nasri??? Tells you something dunnit??

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Originally Posted by LDG

Why wouldn't he take it?? Because he wanted more of course! Deary me. That's why he wouldn't sign it!

Clichy? Was on his way out anyway. Plus he was shit for us. And I really couldn't give two hoots about him. And if you wanna twist the tables....then if Wenger was desperate to keep hold of him, why didn't he do what he's doing with Nasri??? Tells you something dunnit??

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Or because we'd had another disappointing season ending in failure maybe?

Even in the old days, when we failed to win players we linked with moves away and didn't seem too happy, it's no different now.

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Pretty much.

People are hating on Nasri simply cos he doesn't want to be here.
Same thing with Fabregas.

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Wrong people are hating on him because he is a twat who thinks he is better then he is.

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Originally Posted by Boss

You're assuming that he wants the money based on press rumours and nothing more than that.

His words are that he wants to challenge for trophies, and doesn't believe we're doing that or making the right steps to do so. Van Persie made the same noises.

If he was offered such a good contract before the season, which was 'much more than he was worth', why wouldn't he take it if he was all about the money?

Clichy who hardly strikes you as someone being interested in money went to Man Citeh. Why? For the football project.

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Good points on Nasri, I think a reasonable chunk of it is about the money but if you're happy at a club and winning trophies you're more likely to be happy with less money, nowt we can do about that though.

Clichy went because he knew his days were numbered, he'd stagnated and with a few guys looking over his shoulder at the LB spot he wanted out to go somewhere he could improve and get first team football, rather than to go to a team where he's guaranteed trophies, which is what I assume you mean by 'project' or at the very least, somewhere he reckons he'll win something before he can here.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Or because we'd had another disappointing season ending in failure maybe?

Even in the old days, when we failed to win players we linked with moves away and didn't seem too happy, it's no different now.

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Who you talking about Nasri or Clichy??

Nasri....please don't make me go over it again. It's irritating me now, and you're ignoring everything I've already explained to you about 10 times this morning, in detail, and it's pretty conclusive.

Clichy...maybe. But like I said, why isn't wenger doing the same with him as he is with Nasri??

I don't dispute that players are dissapointed. I have not at any point said otherwise. But you really are making a mug of yourself with the Nasri thing, because it's as clear as day.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Who you talking about Nasri or Clichy??

Nasri....please don't make me go over it again. It's irritating me now, and you're ignoring everything I've already explained to you about 10 times this morning, in detail, and it's pretty conclusive.

Clichy...maybe. But like I said, why isn't wenger doing the same with him as he is with Nasri??

I don't dispute that players are dissapointed. I have not at any point said otherwise. But you really are making a mug of yourself with the Nasri thing, because it's as clear as day.

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I was talking about Nasri.

Ah come on so he got offered a contract last summer, so what?

We'd just had another disappointing season, why exactly should he sign and commit more years...you've just admitted it was more money so if he was all about money surely he would have?

For some reason you're ignoring that point, you expect players to just jump up and sign just because more money is offered...even though a season has ended badly, that's not usually how it works with players who want to win stuff, they want to see you're making changes and signing the right players as well!

I don't see it like you at all, if we offered him more money last summer and that's all he cared about why not sign there and then (he hadn't pulled any trees out at that stage as you've said).

In short I disagree with you about Nasri. People more often than not turn it into a money argument when players wants to leave, sometimes it's true but there's also success to think about...that's why players go to Chelsea, Barca, Man U etc...not just money.

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i) He didn't sign, clearly he had doubts
ii) Debatable looking at salaries at moment and his performance last season (for part of it at least, also Man U interested)
iii) Neither have a lot of players on that amount, didn't he win an award last season at least?
iv) I don't recall that, but words are words and often said in the heat of the moment, Bendtner etc were saying all kinds of sh*t and yet want to leave now.
v) As I've already said it's a team game, the manager is to blame for this IMO.

We'll have to disagree on this, for a start the Man U rumour was stronger yet he could get more at City, this alone shows he wants trophies.

What was and wasn't offered and was said is hard to gauge, but what's clear is there's little harmony at the club (you can see that from the things players have said and done), why would you want to stay with us if Man U come knocking?

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Sorry. Missed this...

Erm. You said we'd let the saga run, yes?? And I said the contract was on the table BEFORE BEFORE BEFORE BE-FUCKING-FORE the seaons started. Got that yet??

And, it was for 90k. Which based on his performace (see point iii)) he'd done sod all to deserve.

He wanted Cesc wages, and that is why he wouldn't sign that contract. BEFORE. I say again. BEFORE last season started.

"words are words and often said in the heat of the moment"....be nice if you forgave a certain someone for that sometimes too.....;) (that's a differnet issue though)