Wenger Referendum: Yes Or No

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Apparently you were not observant of the last 6 months of Fergies season

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Jeeezus.

I was only fuckin joking.

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Originally Posted by LDG

I seriously think Wenger is still pinning everything on a fit Diaby.

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:haha:

:ilt:, if so.

A lot of this Arteta rage feels like chucking the baby out with the bath water to me? If your problem with him is that you genuinely think he has no value whatsoever, and isn't capable of making any kind of contribution, even as an occasional squad player and mentor, then fair enough. But if your problem is more specifically with him being our first choice defensive midfielder, and us not signing anyone else to play there, then your problem is actually with Wenger.

Let's put it another way - if Wenger left tomorrow, and a new guy came in and bought a wizard-good DM in the januray window, would you still believe that Arteta should be ditched, or would you think he might still be a useful asset to keep around?

We would still want him to be ditched. Such an average player has no business wearing an Arsenal shirt. Unless, of course, he bought one.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Jeeezus.

I was only fuckin joking.

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You need to be clear about things like that on this hard hitting and incisive forum.

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

A lot of this Arteta rage feels like chucking the baby out with the bath water to me? If your problem with him is that you genuinely think he has no value whatsoever, and isn't capable of making any kind of contribution, even as an occasional squad player and mentor, then fair enough. But if your problem is more specifically with him being our first choice defensive midfielder, and us not signing anyone else to play there, then your problem is actually with Wenger.

Let's put it another way - if Wenger left tomorrow, and a new guy came in and bought a wizard-good DM in the januray window, would you still believe that Arteta should be ditched, or would you think he might still be a useful asset to keep around?

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Good point. Again, I have no problem with him being a back up squad player but like Verm, I doubt Wenger can make that sort of transition for a player. It’s a managerial problem. He can’t manage a big squad and once a player falls from the first team, he’ll leave them to rot on the bench and eventually let them leave. He just doesn’t make the best use of his squad and it’s partly why we get so many injuries.

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Originally Posted by Letters

:haha:

:ilt:, if so.

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At least someone got it :(

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Originally Posted by Özil's Panoramic View

We would still want him to be ditched. Such an average player has no business wearing an Arsenal shirt. Unless, of course, he bought one.

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Spot on.

Average in every aspect and the fact many of our fans are happy with him embodies the mediocre mindset that has taken over this club.

He can't tackle, has no physical presence, has crap distribution and has no real authority about his play. He's just another Denilson. But because he has this professional, obedient look about him which fits into the whole 'Arsenal ooze class' image we like to uphold, he's loved.

Bang average player.

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Originally Posted by Steve French

You need to be clear about things like that on this hard hitting and incisive forum.

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Especially when talking to Henry Winter's illegitimate sproglet.

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Originally Posted by Steve French

You need to be clear about things like that on this hard hitting and incisive forum.

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Hang on. I need to consult my argument play book.

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

A lot of this Arteta rage feels like chucking the baby out with the bath water to me? If your problem with him is that you genuinely think he has no value whatsoever, and isn't capable of making any kind of contribution, even as an occasional squad player and mentor, then fair enough. But if your problem is more specifically with him being our first choice defensive midfielder, and us not signing anyone else to play there, then your problem is actually with Wenger.

Let's put it another way - if Wenger left tomorrow, and a new guy came in and bought a wizard-good DM in the januray window, would you still believe that Arteta should be ditched, or would you think he might still be a useful asset to keep around?

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Ditched - slows us down as an attacking force & has had he's best days. Need better than that now both as a 1st 11 player & reserve.

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

Ditched - slows us down as an attacking force & has had he's best days. Need better than that now both as a 1st 11 player & reserve.

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Stop speaking sense.

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

A lot of this Arteta rage feels like chucking the baby out with the bath water to me? If your problem with him is that you genuinely think he has no value whatsoever, and isn't capable of making any kind of contribution, even as an occasional squad player and mentor, then fair enough. But if your problem is more specifically with him being our first choice defensive midfielder, and us not signing anyone else to play there, then your problem is actually with Wenger.

Let's put it another way - if Wenger left tomorrow, and a new guy came in and bought a wizard-good DM in the januray window, would you still believe that Arteta should be ditched, or would you think he might still be a useful asset to keep around?

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I would keep Arteta in the squad. We have seen the effects of letting go some of the experienced players and then hoping the youngsters are just going to start leading the line. What happens in the dressing room is just as important as to what happens on the pitch. Utd kept a hold of Giggs, Scholes and Ferdinand way beyond their sell by date. Why? Because you cannot buy experience..

is the match thread now just for the etonians? why is it closed/shut to some of us?

I wondered why no-one was posting in there. No idea :unsure:

Fucked us over big time today :ilt:

I have no idea how anyone can any longer support Wenger as manager.

After the plastering we took last year, here we are again, completely out thought by a superior manager (yes he is a cunt and yes the ref has been shit).

He has to leave the club, utterly utterly clueless.

Look at the batterings he has taken in big games recently...8-2. 6-3. 5nil etc etc etc .... which other world class manager, on the money he is on, has such a shocking record in the big games.

He is mugging us all off.

You'd think after so many years of constant disappointment in these games he would have figured out an effective way to approach them, but no.

He's got to be one of the weakest "big game" managers in the business.

Fcuk off Wenger.

No trophy will make me want to keep him.

Just can't bear watching football with Wenger in charge of us.

Seeing that fcuking pass from Cesc just makes me so sad.

We won't win PL again if we stick with Arsene. There are too many superior managers around. Mourinho completely has his number, Arsene is his bitch.

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Originally Posted by Darknight02

Fcuk off Wenger.

No trophy will make me want to keep him.

Just can't bear watching football with Wenger in charge of us.

Seeing that fcuking pass from Cesc just makes me so sad.

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He plays for a bunch of cunts now, but I feel the same the quality he as is amazing, should have acted on the clause.

He can't win the CL
He can't win the PL
He can' t win the CC
He can win the FA Cup
Reasons to be cheerful

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Originally Posted by selassie

We won't win PL again if we stick with Arsene. There are too many superior managers around. Mourinho completely has his number, Arsene is his bitch.

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Nah - Arsene is the set of hotel curtains Mourinho uses to wipe his cock dry after seeing to his bitches.

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Originally Posted by mastermind84

As for the Wumget, he is finished tactically and dont even know it. He is done, imo but no one is going to tell him he is done at the club so we are stuck.

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my positions is unchanged

Where do people stand on his spat with the C*nt today?

Do you think he had it coming after many years of very personal jibes against Wenger (something he, notably, avoids with any other manager)?

Or do you think Wenger has become à liability? After history with Pardew, Jol and Ferguson, is he letting himself down on something the club and the média take the most pride in- Wenger's intelligence and class?

He had it coming because he is a nasty piece of work.

It is the only good thing Wenger did today.

Maureen looked like he shat his frilly knickers.

Mourinho is the scum of the earth. But a man who has at his disposal the means to avoid humiliation, but can't bring himself to flex enough to dodge what's coming deserves a shit pie in the face.

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Originally Posted by Ernesto

Where do people stand on his spat with the C*nt today?

Do you think he had it coming after many years of very personal jibes against Wenger (something he, notably, avoids with any other manager)?

Or do you think Wenger has become à liability? After history with Pardew, Jol and Ferguson, is he letting himself down on something the club and the média take the most pride in- Wenger's intelligence and class?

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Maureen is the worst scum to ever slither into the game. Whatever happens to him, provided it is bad, he thoroughly deserves it.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Maureen is the worst scum to ever slither into the game. Whatever happens to him, provided it is bad, he thoroughly deserves it.

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We keep fucking losing to the cunt though. Im pissed off

We need a nice, calm, carefully thought out and properly planned replacement of the manager. Not some circus event. I'm hoping the board is savvy enough to already be on the case. If it takes another season so be it, provided we get the right man.

3 more years of this shit. Of utter stagnation and embarrassments.

Cant stand seeing him or hearing him, same shit different season. I would like to see Klopp as the new man in charge. You would imagine given the money we have now, he would spend it on what we need, and sell Ozil.

He needs to go, but he won't resign or get sacked so no debate really.

It's a catch-22. We don't have a sugar daddy who dumps huge wads of cash into the club we instead have a manager who is highly focused on the financial side of things and fits everything to that model. He's done that job excellently, better than anyone else could do it. This is why he is coveted by all the big clubs around Europe. On the other hand, because the focus is shifted from the fine details of what happens on the pitch we are inferior in every respect to those managers who are 100% concentrated on getting results. Even with decent players now being brought in as a result of the financial upturn there is a clear deficit that's spelled out by the atrocious record against the top teams. But had we not concentrated on the financials we wouldn't have the players and around it goes. It has taken a decade to put the club into a position where we can compete to some degree with the dopers. For the first time we are in a position to be able to think about bringing in a manager who doesn't have to worry about finances and can concentrate exclusively on the team. This is what I hope is in progress, a shift to a top quality coach instead of an accountant who also manages the team.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

It's a catch-22. We don't have a sugar daddy who dumps huge wads of cash into the club we instead have a manager who is highly focused on the financial side of things and fits everything to that model. He's done that job excellently, better than anyone else could do it. This is why he is coveted by all the big clubs around Europe. On the other hand, because the focus is shifted from the fine details of what happens on the pitch we are inferior in every respect to those managers who are 100% concentrated on getting results. Even with decent players now being brought in as a result of the financial upturn there is a clear deficit that's spelled out by the atrocious record against the top teams. But had we not concentrated on the financials we wouldn't have the players and around it goes. It has taken a decade to put the club into a position where we can compete to some degree with the dopers. For the first time we are in a position to be able to think about bringing in a manager who doesn't have to worry about finances and can concentrate exclusively on the team. This is what I hope is in progress, a shift to a top quality coach instead of an accountant who also manages the team.

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Unfortunately Wenger will probably be asked to nominate his successor when he does finally decide move on.

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Originally Posted by topgun

Unfortunately Wenger will probably be asked to nominate his successor when he does finally decide move on.

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Like Ferguson did and look how that turned out.

You don't need a sugar daddy to spend loads of money to be competitive in individual matches. Perhaps over the season there is a benefit but the games are still 11 v 11. We never looked like scoring. We never really look like scoring against Chelsea.

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Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72

Cant stand seeing him or hearing him, same shit different season. I would like to see Klopp as the new man in charge. You would imagine given the money we have now, he would spend it on what we need, and sell Ozil.

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I think Klopp is someone who proves that success is ephemeral.

Frankly I doubt many Dortmund fans are too happy with the job he's doing at the moment

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Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72

Cant stand seeing him or hearing him, same shit different season. I would like to see Klopp as the new man in charge. You would imagine given the money we have now, he would spend it on what we need, and sell Ozil.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I think Klopp is someone who proves that success is ephemeral.

Frankly I doubt many Dortmund fans are too happy with the job he's doing at the moment

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:good: Be careful what you wish for...