stupid spuds fans :haha:
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Perez saying overnight that none of the clubs have actually left the super league and if they do, they will have to pay the penalty fees.
It’ll be interesting to how Kronke plays that one. He really should be paying the penalty fee out of his own pocket but he wont of course. Teh club will pay it and then when we buy no one in the summer, blame it on that
Think Perez needs to stay off the drugs... And if he's not on any maybe he should start :good:
Knew that one was coming. Those penalties will be steep and watertight. Yet more compelling evidence these clubs had no idea what was going on and are the real victims in this tragedy. It'll be funny watching them lose a ton of money from chasing a ton on money. Another issue for the fans to work on should these vultures try to burden the clubs with the losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
Arteta says Kroenke and Vinai have apologised to him and the players on wednesday.
and I quote:
I'm sorry Mikel, but that makes you weak as fuck.Quote:
They apologised for disturbing the team, not having the capacity or ability to communicate in a different way earlier and explained the reasons why. They also passed on a message to the players.
That's all you can ask for, and I have to accept it.
It also sounds like they have been fobbed off with more bullshit.
Lol at the first comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Is this like when Trump won the election?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie the Optimist
Kroenke's apologised to Arteta apparently...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56845861
#Non-negotiablesQuote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
It seems this whole ESL thing is closely connected with a train that was leaving a station with people hopping onto it without knowing where it was going.
This certainly seems like the most likely explanation.
The best bit was josh explaining that they couldn’t communicate with the fans because of the pandemic whilst on a zoom call to the fans during the pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
https://www.skysports.com/share/12284182
Vinai’s apology to the other clubs went down like a lead balloon apparently. :lol:
We tried to leave our wife for a younger, sexier model.
Then discovered immediately it wasn’t going to work.
I don’t think a “soz” is really going to cut it :lol:
I don’t know about you guys, but cold nights in Stoke are certainly the highlight of my footballing year.
Especially now they’re in the Championship.
100%. Its funny but the one part of the Arsenal owners' apology that rang true was the statement that we did not want to be left behind. I am sure that this was the case, and if football fans are really honest, part of them would all have felt the same. Part of the hate against the breakaway teams is based on the fact that those excluded would have been denied a place at the table, and let's face it, a small part of all of us felt the same way about Chelsea and Citeh leaving us out in the cold when it came to their unlimited investment power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Money corrupts, and it's a rare institution these days that takes a moral stand. The santimoniousness of the broadcasters; Premier League; the FA; FIFA and UEFA - along with the other EPL clubs is sickening, TBF. This is a war in which everyone is out for their own financial interests and do not mistake the glee in which the 'victors' here are now circling the wagons against the 'Big 6' should not be taken as a victory for ordinary football fans.
Keep in mind this is the same KSE who have invested exactly nothing in the club in a decade and a half, removed any oversight from the board, replaced our entire senior executive team with a couple of crooks and then 3 interns, and have generally been utterly absent as the club has slid from the best side in Europe to a mid-table domestic side. These are the people who are now claiming that their big concern was Arsenal not being left behind.
If we're apologising to all the other clubs I guess it was us driving the train. Supposedly they each put 8 million quid down for a ticket. Estimated journey time was 23 years. Tickets came with 3.5billion cashback offer though, which they were going to use to save football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Yeah, but you don't want to make it even worse by seeing our owner left behind in a race for the cash. I think it's commendable he's finally taking an interest in the club. You got to start somewhere. Shame about the communications though. He should have at least thanked us for our interest in his affairs.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Said the same myself a couple of days ago. But included the fans. We've all watched that cash porn show on Sky with the transfer money clock racing into orbit. The fans buy the shirts stitched by the slave labourers so the players can earn more in a week than those labourers will earn in a lifetime. And the wankers can't even take a corner or stay on their feet for 2 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK
Apparently it's the way the world works and can't be changed. And yet Covid shows the world can be changed, overnight. This is a rare chance to change football too, if the fans can stick together and not be swayed by the bullshit cover stories now being pressed. Doubtful, but it's a very rare opportunity where the conceptual (if not actual) balance of power has shifted for a moment at least.
:haha::haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Quite a big bit of me felt that way. But I think that was justified. It was like we were all playing football manager and then someone turned on the infinite money cheat. Sure, some clubs have more money than others, some simply have larger fan bases and stadiums and of course that is going to have an effect. The ideal though in sport is to make the playing field as level as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK
Bit of trivia for you, Arsenal won the Double in 1970/71.
The point is the previous season we finished 12th, the following season we finished 5th (Derby won the title that following year, having finished 9th the previous season). In fact, looking at the Champions in and around our Double win, it went like this:
66 Liverpool
67 Man Utd
68 Man City
69 Leeds
70 Everton
71 Arsenal
72 Derby
7 different champions in 7 consecutive years. And the reason for that is sure, some clubs have more money than others but the difference was limited.
You had a culture in football where the crowd is mostly local and working class, they pay on the day and ticket prices are low. You don't have merchandise or advertising rights or TV packages, or nowhere near to the same extent as now. You certainly don't have a global audience or fanbase.
You do have European football but there are no huge financial rewards and only a couple of teams get in a year so you don't have teams getting in year on year.
You can never completely level the playing field but in that culture you can make the difference less stark, give the chance for mobility. It means that the fans of many teams can dream of Cup glory or even a title. Now everything in football is designed to make the difference between the haves and have nots as big as possible. It's actually quite impressive that despite this Arsenal have managed to be so terrible over the last few seasons, given that we are one of the "haves".
From 2005-2015 there were only 3 different title winners. What a coincidence that it was Utd, City and Chelsea - a team with a silly amount of money (earned through previous success, to be fair, but still) and two teams who have bought their way in to the top table.
What Leicester did was refreshing and shouldn't be possible in the modern era. But it was an aberration and is unlikely to be repeated. Klopp is a good manager but Liverpool have spent big to get where they've got.
The ESL was just another step in this, the thing which seems to have angered people is that it was a closed shop. But while it would have been another step towards a closed shop of big clubs, all the other steps over the last 20 or 30 years have already made the top group of clubs nigh on impossible to clamber into anyway.
TL;DR - football is a bit shit these days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56873448
Give it up, old man.
Part of me was hoping this went through so we could begin the great reset in English football. Those 6 would get kicked out and then the english league could become competitive again. Different winners each season. Cost of subscriptions and tickets reduces. Players wages reduce. All money grabers can go to the super league and rot.
He's basically saying they'll have to buy their way out, so now he gets rich without having to even set up the ESL...Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Don't be silly, those six would've simply been replaced by another 'big six' who'd have similarly done everything they could to stitch it all up for their own benefit - don't be fooled by Neverton's holier-than-though act, they'd have joined the ESL at the drop of a hat if askedQuote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
I suppose you're right re fans, but for me they are last in the list when it comes to handing out blame. We are led by the nose, yes, but also our club loyalties are exploited by those manipulating the game for their own financial ends. It's a rare fan indeed who isn't tempted by sellig their soul for the footballing glory we all crave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
All good points, but the principle of it is largely the same. We were still fortunate to be a big team in a small pond in our glory days, and I'm not sure that fans of so-called smaller clubs would see the moral distinction between this and us resenting the extension of football doping that the oligarch era ushered in...Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
ah yes but there would be less money in football so the incentives would be less given less point to exploitation. well its not happening but we can hopeQuote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
"Tottenham, who were also part of the short-lived European Super League breakaway, were not represented in the three groups, which were introduced 18 months ago and discuss ideas before they are presented to clubs to vote on. "
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56931186
Spuds :haha:
Big club :haha:
Rumours now that they're going to try hosting PL games abroad.
Time to dust off the pitchforks?