Mikel Arteta Thread

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It's not so much the defence part and sitting back I'm referring to, just taking on the responsibility to take the ball from defence and play it forward like how Vieria used to do. Cesc was great at doing it when playing a 4-4-2 with Gilberto, Diaby and Rosicky play box to box and are more mobile but Diaby player a disciplined game against Liverpool and I've also seen him do that when paired with Song or Denilson in the past.

I don't think it's so much about the role but more about the player and Arteta just can't play on the half turn. Wilshere played the deep role once and he was great at taking on the responsibility and keeping the ball moving even when under pressure as seen when playing against Barca. Arteta just can't play that way.

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I just don't know anymore. You're right about playing on the half turn. Deffo.

On the one hand I want to stick up for him, as I think he's done a sterling job for us over the last year or so. Certainly last season, and early doors this.

But when all is said and done. Is he good enough? I think he's an intellegent player. But is he quick enough, especially when the "out ball" is being cut off.

From what I've seen just recently, nobody has been showing for the ball. There is no movement in the team. Nothing. And it's very hard for a player to play out from the back, when the rest of the team don't work hard enough for you, or (as is the case with "some" players) are just plain shit.

We relied on RVP last year as the "get out of jail free card". The magic player who could change a game himself. Unfortunately, we now have to rely on the team, playing as a team. And when components of that team don't work, the team breaks down. And much as I give props to Arteta, he's no RVP / Cesc / World Class Player.

Arteta awful sideways passer. :lol:

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Originally Posted by NoeLDG

I get what you're saying, but Diaby, Cesc and Rosicky never played the role that Arteta is currently playing for us. Diaby was abismal as the player to sit back.

Song looked better, but why? For me it was because last year, Arteta and Song were interchangeable. When Song went forward, Arteta stayed back.

He may not be producing in an attacking sense, but he's the most diciplined we have there, and has saved our arses a few times this year, even if he has let some past him. Now that Song has pissed off, there is nobody who is interchangeable. He's all we have. And as Rosicky and Diaby have been out, Jack has had to slot in as the ball carrier.

The problem we have is the link player who carries the ball forward. Hopefully Rosicky can do it for a few games before falling over again, but that's where we need to invest money. Not replacing Arteta.

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moutinho. shame he costs so f much

Arteta is waste as a DM, he's a creative player and was a decent one at Everton, I don't understand using him in that role it totally nullifies his strengths.

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Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas

Arteta is waste as a DM, he's a creative player and was a decent one at Everton, I don't understand using him in that role it totally nullifies his strengths.

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You know who our manager is right?

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

moutinho. shame AVB is buying him in jan

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:gp:

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Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas

Arteta is waste as a DM, he's a creative player and was a decent one at Everton, I don't understand using him in that role it totally nullifies his strengths.

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Time for M'Vila tbh.

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Originally Posted by Gervinho's Forehead

You know who our manager is right?

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Well i did, not sure who this guy Claming to be Wenger is tbh.

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Originally Posted by NoeLDG

I just don't know anymore. You're right about playing on the half turn. Deffo.

On the one hand I want to stick up for him, as I think he's done a sterling job for us over the last year or so. Certainly last season, and early doors this.

But when all is said and done. Is he good enough? I think he's an intellegent player. But is he quick enough, especially when the "out ball" is being cut off.

From what I've seen just recently, nobody has been showing for the ball. There is no movement in the team. Nothing. And it's very hard for a player to play out from the back, when the rest of the team don't work hard enough for you, or (as is the case with "some" players) are just plain shit.

We relied on RVP last year as the "get out of jail free card". The magic player who could change a game himself. Unfortunately, we now have to rely on the team, playing as a team. And when components of that team don't work, the team breaks down. And much as I give props to Arteta, he's no RVP / Cesc / World Class Player.

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Agree, I don't think it's just one individual player that's the problem. All three midfield players are struggling and we only get width from Walcott because Pod does nothing but it won't take long for teams to figure out they need to double up on Walcott to stop him and then out wing play suffers.

It's a huge mess. If Rosicky plays again, maybe we'll see a difference.

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Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist

Well i did, not sure who this guy Claming to be Wenger is tbh.

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:lol:

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Mikel Arteta bagged himself two penalties today and the Arsenal midfielder is now the second-highest Spanish goalscorer in Premier League history.

Arteta has now hit 36 goals in the division, one ahead of former Gunners skipper Cesc Fabregas. The top scorer is of course Fernando Torres, who moved on to 78 with a brace today.

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Arteta :bow:.

Lampregas :haha:.

Fran Merida :haha:

Mata :haha:

Almunia :coffee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sF-r...layer_embedded

Love him. He's been a revelation in the deeper role. One of our best, most consistent performers.

Tets :bow:

People who don't rate him :doh:

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Originally Posted by LDG

Tets :bow:

People who don't rate him :doh:

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Pretty much. It shows a basic lack of understanding.

Artekkers :bow:

Seems they don't rate him in Spain either.

Was quite surprised not to see him in Spain's B team against Tahiti yesterday (or was I?).

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Originally Posted by Josh_Gooner

Seems they don't rate him in Spain either.

Was quite surprised not to see him in Spain's B team against Tahiti yesterday (or was I?).

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He's not very good

He's a decent player but when he's in the team the onus on creating chances is very much on the other 2 central midfielders, which isn't necessarily a problem as long as they're in form. However, when for example Cazorla and/or Wilshere are not doing it, he struggles to provide the impetus we need. Also I think he's too conservative with his passing sometimes, and slows the game down by perhaps missing openings that other more creative deep midfielders like Pirlo would take advantage of. I'm not saying he's a bad player, but IMO we can do better in that position.

He

is

being

played

out

of

position...

That means...

The position

where

he

normally

plays

is

not

where

Wenger

is

playing

him...

Or put another way...

The board are a bunch of ****s.

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Originally Posted by Joker

He's a decent player but when he's in the team the onus on creating chances is very much on the other 2 central midfielders,

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Isn't that always the way?

No one expected Gilberto to be creative. Arteta is doing a similar job.

He's been pretty great tbh.

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

Isn't that always the way?

No one expected Gilberto to be creative. Arteta is doing a similar job.

He's been pretty great tbh.

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Chesney has no goals all season, so what's your point?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Chesney has no goals all season, so what's your point?

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Not true, he's been responsible for loads.

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

Not true, he's been responsible for loads.

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Those aren't goals, they are assists.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNrWaSMCcAAiG4m.jpg

Terrific player :bow:

:gp:

Love how he beats Carrick in literally every category they list.

he's doing ok in his role, which is not his natural position but it is an area we could definitely improve on.

Don't take it to heart. Ramsey is on that list too.

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Originally Posted by V-Pig

Love how he beats Carrick in literally every category they list.

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Yeah he's really been fantastic.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

he's doing ok in his role, which is not his natural position but it is an area we could definitely improve on.

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Not trying to nit-pick at all here....but who do you think would be better at the role?

Quite clearly there are more talented players out there, but in that role, and with the game we play? There can only be a handful of players able to sustain that level of consistency accross a whole season.....

We're talking about a position where the player has to be pretty exceptional. It demands touch, eye for a pass (long, short, sideways, forwards), ability to read the game, tackle, set the tempo, workrate.....it is the hardest position on the pitch to play.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Not trying to nit-pick at all here....but who do you think would be better at the role?

Quite clearly there are more talented players out there, but in that role, and with the game we play? There can only be a handful of players able to sustain that level of consistency accross a whole season.....

We're talking about a position where the player has to be pretty exceptional. It demands touch, eye for a pass (long, short, sideways, forwards), ability to read the game, tackle, set the tempo, workrate.....it is the hardest position on the pitch to play.

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Yeah but he's not racking up 200 assists so he must be shit.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Not trying to nit-pick at all here....but who do you think would be better at the role?

Quite clearly there are more talented players out there, but in that role, and with the game we play? There can only be a handful of players able to sustain that level of consistency accross a whole season.....

We're talking about a position where the player has to be pretty exceptional. It demands touch, eye for a pass (long, short, sideways, forwards), ability to read the game, tackle, set the tempo, workrate.....it is the hardest position on the pitch to play.

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i'm not so sure because on that basis, we would struggle to ever replace him. for me he does a 'job' in that role and in most cases does it pretty well but we definitely lack a bit more muscle there. now that doesn't mean some sort of 10ft mythical beast that a lot of people seem to think is the atypical deep lying player but someone with a better engine and who doesn't always go for the safe option (which i think is because mikel is not completely comfortable playing there, so we lose some of that dynamic drive from the back at times).

there have been times when the balance with jack/ramz/carz has been completely off and our midfield has looked at a complete loss as to what to do next. arteta is a good player, even at AM he is good. but is good, 'good' enough if we want this team/squad to evolve. i wouldn't say he is right at the top of the list right now in terms of people to remove but if we were serious (which i'm not convinced of) about doing more than fourth, then we should be looking to upgrade on a more specialised, box-to-box player from deep.

El Statinho.

Prefer him in an attacking role which is what he's best at, the position he's played in should be reserved for someone who's natural position it is, IMO someone more physical and powerful.

He's totally wasted in that role.

:lol: arteta.

people who believe he's good are clearly thickos that read The Sun.

yoghurt/10

I don't think he's a bad player but Tuffnutz is right in saying that ideally, we'd get a more mobile player in there who is better at closing down the opposition, making interceptions and in general dictating the tempo of our game more. Arteta doesn't really do that, he's a neat and tidy passer but he fails to really set the tone for us. Maybe you can counter that by saying that should be Wilshere's responsibility, but when he's not available we need others to step up to the plate.

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Originally Posted by Joker

I don't think he's a bad player but Tuffnutz is right in saying that ideally, we'd get a more mobile player in there who is better at closing down the opposition, making interceptions and in general dictating the tempo of our game more. Arteta doesn't really do that, he's a neat and tidy passer but he fails to really set the tone for us. Maybe you can counter that by saying that should be Wilshere's responsibility, but when he's not available we need others to step up to the plate.

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I think if you bring in the type of player both you and Terry say, then we change our style of play completely.

Incidentally, I happen to prefer that style too, but I'm assuming we're going to be set up to play the style Wenget seems to prefer nowadays....