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I know as a mod you’ve got to keep a veneer of responsibility, but deep down wouldn’t you rather have unpleasant ad hominem exchanges as opposed to the sedateness that is this forum 90% of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
As for this silly fellow who can’t help but reply to me (whatever I say about Mandela at least he has some self restraint in that regard)
If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him
:haha: It must really hurt being you, all this crap just to feel whole.....damn!Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Guys, we might be getting another ILT very soon :ilt:
Letters, I think you should let the kid have his day, he clearly needs it :ilt:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You’re still going :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
I won’t lie, you’re making a dull working day all the much brighter
I was going to be nice and offer you the chance to re-read some of the posts you reply to and actually answer with what’s said rather than what you think has been said but this is way more fun
Has it been a bad day for you….do you have Arsenal stuff on your desk and one of your work colleagues has been singing “two nil and you fucked it up” in your ear all morning?
Anyway I’ve got some sod pestering me on Teams so will have to leave it there. Cheer up buttercup, and try not to beat up your imaginary girlfriend when you get in tonight
Aye, I meant dropped from the starting line up, not the squad. Starting Trossard with Saka on the bench, just as a reminder that he's not untouchable...which he is and he knows it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
It's a shame as my frustration is more with the situation but it manifests with criticism of the player which isn't entirely fair, I guess. It's just poor man management but I do think the fans and media are culpable in this too.
I don't even mind poor players, man. I've said before, Holding is probably my favorite player at the club and it ain't because he's good :haha: he's just a real all in, loves the club kinda guy who you never hear a bad word about.
Ok, just remember, Jesus loves you :ilt:Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
As long as he doesn’t want me to suck his tongue like the Dalai LamaQuote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
Lol, if not for your Saka issues, would say we like the same players .....but yeah agree pretty much with what you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by mandela8
Just beats my imagination why Arteta can't see the boy is better off on the bench for now.. IMO Trossard is an easy key in for now and shouldn't really be dropped the way he is playing. Contribution wise the way I rate our attackers for now are:
Martinelli
Trossard
Jesus
Saka
Odegaard
Nelson
Xhaka
Vieira
at a point I even considered that if he still wanted Saka on the pitch, couldn't he had taken off Odegaard and put Trosaard their? Just do something radical to get our tempo up (that was at 2-1, not when chicken had come home to roost)
We had options yesterday it was just a total lack of imagination from Arteta and that's because he's fixated on a starting 11 when he's got a pretty good attacking squad now.
A curious post. I wasn't making excuses for anything. I believe we bottled it, and I criticised the brittleness of the team in the past 2 matches. Hardly lionising another team or being fanboyish.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
This is the problem with debate these days. Offer an alternative view and people respond with binary overstatements. I get that you don't rate our manager, but that doesn't mean either that your view is gospel or even supported by the evidence. It certainly doesnt mean that I am a blinkered Arteta fanboy. As HCZ pinted out, the narture of being football fans means that there is never a time when people don't think that something should have been done differently. It isn't unreasonable to take the view that differnt, or earlier subs would have changed the game yesterday, but it's equally valid to look at a team-wide lack of composure meant that we lost our game under pressure - which is what I think we did and believe that we will continue to do for the rest of the season.
You say that saying nothing would have changed if we'd made subs at the right time is a cop out, but Trossard and Jorginho were brought on on 67 mins yesterday and but for a brief period when we settled it didn't really stop the rot. Also, its a bit strange to argue that the problem was a lack of subs but totally ignore the fact that 3 of our best players were unavailable to the manager through injury. This is confirmation bias supporting your anti Arteta stance.
The fact that Arteta has been rightly praised for our good performances that still see us 4 points above Citeh does not mean that he is without his flaws (and by your own argument you cannot fixate on any sub-par performances by our traditional rivals to explain why we have topped the league for so long this season). But the same league position demonstrates that wanting to ditch our manager is objectively rather absurd - and suggesting that it's somehow defeatist to take this view doesn't make amuch sense. Your praise of Emery who despite his experience could not secure a Europa Cup or a top 4 finish for Arsenal speaks for itself, I'm afraid.
If we were going backwards under Arteta then your arguments would hold more merit, but we are not, and I cannot see on any analysis why we would want to do so now, or what 'magical' alternative would guarantee us success. This doesn't mean that I am content with our past 2 perfomances - I am gutted by them - but not wanting to ditch the whole project does not make me immature or less of an Arsenal fan.
Precisely that, it’s entirely possible to hold two thoughts in your head at once. Because ultimately there’s never one explanation for things, it’s usually a myriad of factors.
- It is an opinion that Arteta over uses certain players and does not rotate his squad enough. It’s an opinion that I hold to, but I can’t claim it to be fact. Yesterday? It’s possible that more timely and better made substitutions might have changed the result, it’s also just as possible that it wouldn’t have made a blind bit of difference
- The point getting deliberately ignored is that it has been identified that there is something brittle about this side of late. Yesterday felt like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Despite the claims of 21 Brain cells firing, we were all worried about what was happening with the team from 2-1 onwards….because it felt like the same thing was happening again and that speaks as much if not more about too fragile confidence as it does underperforming personnel.
- I wouldn’t mind but I’ve been one of Arteta’s biggest detractors…I’ve made it clear I don’t like the guy. But at the same time it would be folly to replace him, and there’s no shame on my part to admit he’s done far better this season than I thought him capable of. But again we come back to the two thoughts thing, you can think we’ve in many ways over achieved and think we’ve bottled it in the last couple of games….the two are not mutually exclusive.