Fabregas goes to Barca for £35million

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Originally Posted by milla

How could someone lose his focus whilst getting £90k a week doing what he loves most? Ungrateful, awful human being IMO. :coffee:

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Different world. For any of us £90K a week would transform our lives. For some these footballer kids that's the minimum they'll get out of bed for. Hell, they'll crash their car in shock if their pay rise is £5K a week too low. What are we getting right now, pay cuts? Different worlds, no point trying to understand them or guess their motives. Judging them by their actions is the only way to go. We know it's all about the money with our lot because they have the damn talent to win the league but they just can't be arsed. In truth, to defend any of these guys is to defend a multi-million pound failure when you're paying part of the bill and they get your money either way. I'll tell you now, it's going to be hard to cheer for any of these tossers this season and I certainly won't be feeling any sympathy for the likes of Cesc Fabregas and that Nasri bloke.

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Originally Posted by milla

How could someone lose his focus whilst getting £90k a week doing what he loves most? Ungrateful, awful human being IMO. :coffee:

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Beats me. Money doesn't always satisfy soul. Look to the stars that OD or top themselves.

With Cesc, this isn't about money otherwise he'd whore himself out to City, Madrid or the highest bidder. Just because he doesn't want to play for our club he's an awful human being? A bit dramatic don't you think? It ain't that serious.

Who cares anymore
Wenger is the fool effected most by his which is a disaster for this club as his ditthering in the transfer Market is obviously being dictated by the cesc/nasri saga.
A decision needs to be made and both these cunts need to fcuk off so we Wenger can focus on building a winning, fully committed team led by a true Gooner and not some fcuking barca rent boy

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

What's the difference between the Cesc and Nasri situation? How comes Nasri is training and playing preseason games while Cesc is left out?

Cesc wants to go but we also want to sell Cesc. When Wenger feels like a player isn't 100% committed, he freezes them out of the squad. It happend with Edu, Wiltord, Lauren, Henry, Ade, Reyes and even last season when he left Clichy, Nasri and Cesc out of the squad in the last few months.

I don't think Cesc is refusing to train. Wenger is saying Cesc is two minds but what about Nasri? He's in his final year and come January when he's free to talk to other clubs his mind will be elsewhere as well. Will Wenger leave him out of the squad as well?

I don't think Cesc has acted badly. He's kept his mouth shut but it's annoys me that he hasn't told those Barca pricks to cool the media talk. He loses stripes on that one.

But we're negotiating with Barca and have been for a while. If we wanted to keep him, he'd be training alongside Nasri. He's not on strike, Wenger has left him out like he always does when a player loses focus.

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It is interesting that we can look at the same situation and come to two different opinions. I agree that there is little or no difference between the Fabregas and Nasri situations, although the Fabregas one has been running for a longer time. And I also agree that Fabregas is not playing because he is not in the right frame of mind and there are negotiations being carried out. I was not happy with Fabregas last season and at the start of the summer, I wanted him sold. Everything this summer has only reinforced this belief. If he is not sold, then he can train with the youth team for the next year, with his spot in the squad going to someone who actually wants to be at and play for the club.

However, I strongly disagree about how Fabregas has acted. Where you see virtue in "keeping his mouth shut", I see a cold, calculated, cynical attempt at manipulating Arsenal fan sentiment to ensure his "good standing" with the bulk of the fans. Need I have to point that those "Barca pricks" are people who have been his friends since he was 11 or 12, for the most part. If you think that Fabregas is not actively encouraging and orchestrating his friends' constant stream of media comments about his Barca DNA, his distress at being "indentured slave" at Arsenal, etc., then I have a great piece of prime land to sell you just outside of Miami.

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Originally Posted by milla

How could someone lose his focus whilst getting £90k a week doing what he loves most? Ungrateful, awful human being IMO. :coffee:

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I thought that he was on £110k a week?

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Beats me. Money doesn't always satisfy soul. Look to the stars that OD or top themselves.

With Cesc, this isn't about money otherwise he'd whore himself out to City, Madrid or the highest bidder. Just because he doesn't want to play for our club he's an awful human being? A bit dramatic don't you think? It ain't that serious.

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At £90k/week its not dramatic at all. :coffee:

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

What's the difference between the Cesc and Nasri situation? How comes Nasri is training and playing preseason games while Cesc is left out?

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Because Cesc is Fate is Not in our hands really Nasri's is. Sounds strange when you say it that way as Cesc is under contract for 4 more years and Nasri is not.

There is more of a feeling Nasri would stay and has been felt for a long time, where as we all know Cesc will go.

AW is not stupid to think he can keep him even if he does spout crap about no needed to sell him etc. Also the reason he is left out is so the team can kind of focus and not get mixed messages tbh.

You feel Nasri may still have he support of the dressing room comapred to cesc whp maybe be losing it.

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Originally Posted by Toronto Gooner

It is interesting that we can look at the same situation and come to two different opinions. I agree that there is little or no difference between the Fabregas and Nasri situations, although the Fabregas one has been running for a longer time. And I also agree that Fabregas is not playing because he is not in the right frame of mind and there are negotiations being carried out. I was not happy with Fabregas last season and at the start of the summer, I wanted him sold. Everything this summer has only reinforced this belief. If he is not sold, then he can train with the youth team for the next year, with his spot in the squad going to someone who actually wants to be at and play for the club.However, I strongly disagree about how Fabregas has acted. Where you see virtue in "keeping his mouth shut", I see a cold, calculated, cynical attempt at manipulating Arsenal fan sentiment to ensure his "good standing" with the bulk of the fans. Need I have to point that those "Barca pricks" are people who have been his friends since he was 11 or 12, for the most part. If you think that Fabregas is not actively encouraging and orchestrating his friends' constant stream of media comments about his Barca DNA, his distress at being "indentured slave" at Arsenal, etc., then I have a great piece of prime land to sell you just outside of Miami.

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Cold and calculated. Interesting. If Cesc came out and made his feelings clear you'd say he's trying to engineer a move away from the club. If he kissed the badge, said he's staying but still left, you'd be upset about him lying. It's a no win situation. I already said he loses stripes for not telling his Barca mates to pipe down.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Because Cesc is Fate is Not in our hands really Nasri's is. Sounds strange when you say it that way as Cesc is under contract for 4 more years and Nasri is not.

There is more of a feeling Nasri would stay and has been felt for a long time, where as we all know Cesc will go.

AW is not stupid to think he can keep him even if he does spout crap about no needed to sell him etc. Also the reason he is left out is so the team can kind of focus and not get mixed messages tbh.

You feel Nasri may still have he support of the dressing room comapred to cesc whp maybe be losing it.

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It does sound odd. In fact, it's backwards.

We're not in control of the Nasri situation. We can offer him a huge salary increase right now and he could easily stall and wait to see what our rivals offer cone January. Cesc has four years left on his contract and we can hold him for the full duration if we wanted to. He can piss and moan all he likes, but we could easily make life more difficult for him and stop him from doing the one thing he loves. Three months on the bench and he'd be dying to get back into to action. We can't do that with Nasri.

Wenger is being naive and he's doing his best to keep Nasri sweet, but he has a losing hand. With Cesc, we hold all the cards. If they can't see that and think we have a better chance of keeping Nasri then we have some serious idiots running this club. There is no logic behind these sort of decisions.

Wenger said in an interview that he won't sell Cesc on the cheap and won't lose money for tue club, while on tue other hand he's willing to lose Nasri on a free. Contridiction.

A few weeks back he said both players were committed and he believed they'd stay. Now he's finally accepted the Cesc situation, something we all knew way before but Wenger is still trying to put a brave face on the Nasri situation. You say Wenger isn't stupid but he's acting that way.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

With Cesc, this isn't about money otherwise he'd whore himself out to City, Madrid or the highest bidder. Just because he doesn't want to play for our club he's an awful human being? A bit dramatic don't you think? It ain't that serious.

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i swear you said you'd curse the day wenger was born if he hung onto nasri until next year, which sounded pretty serious. nas will stay btw, probably because he wants to.

given what wenger has now said about cesc's focus, he has to lose the armband if he stays, it would be ridiculous to let him keep it. if super secretive wenger is willing to let that into the public domain, then it has obviously been known behind closed doors for sometime by all of the squad, which is hardly motivational.