Wenger Referendum IV

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

The announcement would have been made this week irregardless

But again, Wenger went over the boards head going directly to Kroenke

Do you think he'd have done that had Kroenke come and watched us getting spanked?

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Yeah, I do. I don't imagine Kroenke is at all bothered about what happens on the pitch. He's demonstrated this lack of interest in all his sporting ventures. He's into property, balance sheets and leverage. Wenger's the master accountant who makes the goose lay eggs. Kroenke's not turfing that in because a few thousand people are pissed off looking in from the outside. Was he in the least bit bothered about the vitriol coming out of St Louis? If you don't get sacked on the spot after being hammered for the second year running in the CL then why is an FA Cup loss significant? Tickets already sold, TV rights secured, merchandise banked - what does the result have to do with anything?

http://i.imgur.com/OcP6ece.jpg

lmao

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Originally Posted by Özim

Best way would be to have a emptyish stadium every match of course, but that just isn't going to happen realistically, so the only other method is to make your feelings clear

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Neither are realistic and as MO and I have said it's pretty much impossible to support the team and barrack the manager in the ground at the same time.
If people do the latter then the toxic atmosphere will help no-one and actually give Wenger more of an excuse for our failings.

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Originally Posted by GP

http://i.imgur.com/OcP6ece.jpg

lmao

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Next we'll hear is the 25 year, quarter century talk. It's coming.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Yeah, I do. I don't imagine Kroenke is at all bothered about what happens on the pitch. He's demonstrated this lack of interest in all his sporting ventures. He's into property, balance sheets and leverage. Wenger's the master accountant who makes the goose lay eggs. Kroenke's not turfing that in because a few thousand people are pissed off looking in from the outside. Was he in the least bit bothered about the vitriol coming out of St Louis? If you don't get sacked on the spot after being hammered for the second year running in the CL then why is an FA Cup loss significant? Tickets already sold, TV rights secured, merchandise banked - what does the result have to do with anything?

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Because Kroenke cares about money, and seeing us getting spanked would make him fearful of losing it especially as people would be even less likely to renew season tickets and the list of people on the waiting list is more exhaustive than is made out.
Defeat in the FA cup would have forced him into concessions, I agree there was no way Wenger would have gone.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Neither are realistic and as MO and I have said it's pretty much impossible to support the team and barrack the manager in the ground at the same time.
If people do the latter then the toxic atmosphere will help no-one and actually give Wenger more of an excuse for our failings.

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So you buy into Wenger's bullshit that a few polite (massively over polite) banners held up in a stadium, or a plane flying overhead, make it impossible to support the team? Didn't a plane fly over Wembley for the semis? And didn't the fans all cheer the team to a victory? Seems to me there's easily obtainable evidence and, in fact, common sense that suggests your assertion is entirely unfounded.

The first game of the coming season is the very best venue for large protests. To show the owner and the board the fans aren't amused by their latest sabotage. To show our hapless manager that another shit show like last year's opener (which cost us a CL spot btw) won't be tolerated. To most likely force Wenger's hand in the last days of the transfer window if we assume he's dithered until that point. Lots of important reasons to protest loudly at the first game. Show these bastards their coup is not without cost.

If Wenger demands his lovey atmosphere that he envelops his players in extends to the whole place, fans included, then he'd best work on loving us a bit more, rather than blaming us for his fuck ups.

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Originally Posted by Niall Quinn

Slightly off track here, but L.A. has been a graveyard for NFL franchises. For some reason, it just doesn't work there.

Also, Wenger and Kroenke can fuck off.

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Is that because they've had bad teams or are they just not interested in the NFL? But it goes back to my point about Kroenke being a numbers and real estate guy. His decision to move to LA was probably based on how deep the city's pockets were instead of deep running American Football history. I guess after seeing the low attendance for the Rams, he figured he really needs a successful winning team to put bums on seats.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Because Kroenke cares about money, and seeing us getting spanked would make him fearful of losing it especially as people would be even less likely to renew season tickets and the list of people on the waiting list is more exhaustive than is made out.
Defeat in the FA cup would have forced him into concessions, I agree there was no way Wenger would have gone.

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Cosmetic concessions perhaps. But how do you see a director of football working at Arsenal? Wenger has already decreed how that's going to pan out. Would you want to be the bloke that's hired for a role Lord Wenger proclaims doesn't exist? Cup win certainly took some heat away, no doubt. But I think we're a long way from the sort of temperatures Kroenke is prepared to endure. St Louis didn't make him sweat and that was pretty vicious. These guys develop sure things on paper and then put plans into action and go to bank. They don't give a fuck who is affected in the process. 2019/20 is the year to watch. I'll predict it now. Wenger will be getting his new contract and the Euro mobsters will have made giant strides to locking in the "elite" teams in their money league. That's why Kroenke won't take a billion and walk and that's why he wants Wenger here doing what Wenger does. Football is the theatre that distracts from the real business.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

So you buy into Wenger's bullshit that a few polite (massively over polite) banners held up in a stadium, or a plane flying overhead, make it impossible to support the team?

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No, I didn't say that. But you've been talking about creating a really toxic atmosphere in the ground. You may intend that to only target the manager and not the players but I don't see how that is possible.

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Originally Posted by Letters

No, I didn't say that. But you've been talking about creating a really toxic atmosphere in the ground. You may intend that to only target the manager and not the players but I don't see how that is possible.

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At the start of the game you lay into Wenger big time. And Kroenke. During the game you give the team 100% support. At the end of the game, regardless of the result, you lay into Wenger and Kroenke. And you do it every game, regardless of the result. That's how I'd do it anyway. If it was even worth turning up. But it isn't. Far too expensive for the shit Wenger serves up.

In reality, nothing will happen. This will all just drift on.