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Suarez isn't a smokescreen as such, this bid is geniunine I reckon. If we were trying to threaten Real Madrid, we would be bidding as high as we are. I think wenger wants him amd is 100% going for him, not trying to bluff anyoneQuote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
Personally, I don't think its a smokescreen either, I do however think its complete bullshit
Example from the Mirror today - headline:
The only thing mentioned in the article about spectacular signings?Quote:
Arsene Wenger insists Arsenal are working to bring 'spectacular' signings to the club
Face it, it's a bit shit, but Sanogo will be our only signing come transfer deadline day. That 70mil war chest they are touting has more than likely gone straight into paying off debt. I'd love to be wrong about this, but this summer really just looks the same as any otherQuote:
"You want me to announce a spectacular signing, but I can't.
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Hull City manager Steve Bruce has conceded that any deal to sign Arsenal striker Nicklas Bendtner, 25, could be too expensive.
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As crappy as he is, we can't get rid, till we bring someone in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
Like Higuain wasn't smokescreen? How can you be so sure that this is genuine?Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Until everything is official, we might as well sit tight. In a few weeks we may find that we haven't even made a bid for him.
This from Sky Sports "A further update on Gervinho's future as reports in Africa claim the Arsenal attacker could now be on his way to Lyon. Roma had been interested in a deal but were unable to match Arsenal's valuation of the Ivory Coast international. Reports suggest that, if Lyon offer 7m (£6.1m) plus Yoann Gourcuff for Gervinho, then Arsenal could be tempted to accept the bid."
Works for me but seems a bit too good to be true
really interested to see how some people will defend the Club and Wenger when we enter the season with no new signings.
Probably say something like we have a deal with the selling clubs to announce them the next year so that we can secure other players in the January window or something.
Wenger is a gambler. He keeps getting 4th, which is where his comfort zone is. He has desire but not ambition. He is more afraid of failing so he doesn't dare try to succeed. He won't leave Arsenal unless some Tsunami takes place at board level. Too many similarly chicken hearted persons on our board. It has infested many on this board too sadly. What he terms his love for Arsenal is a screen for cowardice. At any other club he would be unceremoniously disproved in public with his glaring failings as a tactician and resources management.
If this isn't total media BS (which let's face it is highly unlikely), this would be a great deal....money and a very talented player for someone we don't want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seaman's Ponytail
Won't be his fault, he tried to make big signings, makde the big bids but everyone got greedy and wanted more because they knew we had cash to burn. He's just an innocent bystander in all this, you might say his hands our tied and he's doing a miraculous job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harland
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Well Liverpool have confirmed we made a bid for him so that's pretty genuine to me.
The reason I think this is a genuine bid, rather then a bluff, is that the bid is too high, so if it was to scare Madrid amd say we won't play your games about giving your more money, it's too high a bid as it show Madrid we have 30 million. 30 odd million is a realistic bid too, Suarez is not a 40 million pound player, no matter what Liverpool say, 30 million is realistic, as he wants out, if puts a request in it could make a 35 million pound bid acceptable.
I think the interest is genuine, and the bid is real, we know that, however we do have to wait and see.
Of people will most likely see what happens and judge on that rather then just following an agenda nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Harland
We have absolutely no chance of getting Suarez, even if the bid is real (I'm not convinced) we must know that so it's a pretty safe bet. Liverpool won't sell him for that price and won't want to sell to an English club, in addition they don't want to sell him and I doubt he'd choose to move to us when bigger more successful clubs would be interested.
A pointless bid basically.
i don't know where you dream these little power games up, I really don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Just looking from the outside, they paid £25mill for him, so they won't be looking for a 5m mark up seeing as he is one of the biggest talents in world football right now, combined with the fact he is a Premiership player, so a premium valuation gets added to the blue ribbon players. Also throw in that Liverpool will see us as rivals, as silly as it sounds to many Arsenal fans, that is how they will call it, based on decades of history. So they are not going to sell cheap just on that basis alone - 40m to madrid is feasible but its even higher for a domestic 'rival'.
suarez would be a mistake. brilliant player, without doubt. but apart from the trouble you would guarantee in a year or two max he would be itching to move on to barca/madrid and co.
He's signed a new contract fairly recently, has shown himself to be a top top striker and Liverpool don't want to sell. So yeah he's worth 40 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
i assume zimm, whenever you have bought a house or a car etc, you go straight in with what asking price right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
we'e a bigger club then liverpool right now, thats attractive to suarez, we have champions league football, they are fighting for 7th place. we can use that to convince him and he has already said he wants to leave liverpool. madrid have mentioned him but so far the only club to have bid for him, is us. so no its not a pointless bid at all, it could turn out to be, and knowing us, most likely will be, but right now, it is far from a pointless bid
It's not a fair comparison at all, a seller just wants a certain amount of cash for his asset (rarely is there a bidding war)...however with a player there's other things involved, like not wanting to sell to a rival, a player not wanting to move somewhere......and in this case the club not wanting to sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Don't fool yourself into thinking we're attractive to Suarez, there's much bigger clubs who would be interested, clubs who sign top players, spend big and do anything to achieve success and achieve success.
We have no chance of signing him.
bidding for a house etc and player is not different. if you bid for a house, and put in a low offer you are just doing what arsenal do which you constantly moan about, very hypocriticalQuote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
yes there are bigger clubs, but out of the english clubs, we are only ones linked with him, and right now, we are bigger then liverpool. when was the last time they actually challenged us for top four? years ago, therefore we are a step up, and he might feel that he has unfinished buisness in england.
out of the other clubs, madrid are only ones to be seriously linked, and they havnt bid, we have. that puts us in pole position to an extent. liverpool might not want to sell, however suarez has said he wants to leave.
It's completely different, you put in a lower offer in the hope it might be accepted based on circumstances on the seller (which you don't know about). With high profile footballers you know the deal, you know if a club wants to sell, you know the rough value of a player and thus you know low bids will get you nowhere. Don't fool yourself into thinking this could happen, it won't even if this alleged bid is real....Higuain if we did bid for him (not sure this is real either) is more realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Maybe however that doesn't really matter, I don't get the impression he wants to stay in England anyway from his comments, he pretty much said he feels victimised.
We're not in pole position at all, as said before we have no chance, we won't bid enough for them to accept, he would rather move elsewhere and they won't want to sell to an English club if they do. Don't fool yourself into thinking this can happen (even if the alleged bid is real), it won't, Higuain would be more realistic (again if the bid is real, pretty sceptical about that as well now).
Would much prefer Higuain tbh.
In any case, I tend to hold a slightly different view on stuff anyway. Personally, I think we need a striker, but that striker is only because we're short on bodies.
Yes, I want said striker to be very good, but I'm not sold that he needs to be a 30-40 million pound player, necessarily.
What we lack, is a couple of players who are genuine game changers. They don't HAVE to be strikers, and all the media shite is focused soley on business related to strikers.
We will score goals, we always do. We did last year, even without a high quality front man. The reason being is that we attack from all angles, not just through the middle.
So, to my mind, a top striker is needed, but not necessarily one which blows a big hole in the budget (if there is one, and they're not going to stuff their own pockets with it).
Personally (and I keep saying it), we need a magic winger with bags of creativity, and we need another worldy in the centre of midfield. Can either be a more defensive minded player, or a creative player. It's the presence we need in there, because you put balance around a couple of quality players, you get a team which starts challenging for trophies.
I disagree on the striker front, reason being in big games you only get a handful of chances and more often than not those will fall to strikers. With a top striker who can finish you know there's a much better chance of him taking those chances that come his way in these games....the lesser striker have a tendency to blow those crucial game winning chances.
I do think we could use a tricky winger and tough tackling midfielder, but I also think we need a top class striker to finish off the chances. A new goalie would have been good too, Chesney showed last season he's not ready.
You're being a bit overly dismissive of our chances of getting him IMO. Not that I particularly want him, but still. We are a big club, we have a manger who (whatever you think) is still well respected in the game and we have the ability (possibly not the willingness) to pay good wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
City aren't a big club, relative to Arsenal, but they attracted top players. They did it by throwing enough money around and...well, we can debate about ambition, I don't believe spending enough till you blunder your way to the title is ambition, but the players could see what was going on and believed the club were capable of winning trophies. If we show we're serious about competing by going after the players who can push us on then I don't think we'll have too much trouble attracting top players. What we have to do is stop messing around for the sake of a few million here and there. Of course there will be negotiation but too often it seems we walk away when the gap is only a couple of million.
suarez wants out, thats a circumstance that a low bid could be accepted. you cant moan about arsenal offering low amounts of money instead of the asking price and then justify someone else doing it in other situations. thats just wuming and agenda driven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
i dont get the impression suarez wants to stay massively, but there have been suggestions he is open to staying, he has spoken saying he is flattered by us biddng for him, hardly the commennts of a man who 100% doesnt want to stay in england, but i agree, higuain is more realistic and less of a gamble. suarez could score us 30 goals, he could also be banned for 30 games by being well by being suarez
Be realistic here, we've signed noone yet, we've basically done nothing but get into the top 4 since 2005 and have also sold our best players. Would you if you were a top player believe it would be a good place to come if you wanted to win silverware?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Whilst you say City aren't a big club, in the football world they are perceived to be due to their limitless resources. Look at the players they sign and can sign now, top players are interested in playing for them as they have loads of money and will spend it and have shown they can win and compete for trophies, which is at the end of the day what big players want.
Attracting big players is harder for us now as players don't really believe we're challengers, nothing we've done has shown we can be tbh, from our performances in the CL our domestic performances, our lack of spending and the fact we've sold top players has further reinforced the fact.
Liverpool don't want to sell and he's got many years of his contract left, they're in the driving seat and won't sell on the cheap...and certainly not to an English club if they can avoid it (if Chelsea or someone like that bid a huge amount it's possible of course but we won't be making bids like this). I don't justify other clubs bidding lower for top players no, but for rubbish players yes I will because if they don't perform they offer very little value to a team.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Suarez has given the impression he wants to leave English football due to feeling victimised and if he does leave Liverpool it will be abroad in all likelyness, I don't see a scenario where he would come to us.
Joel Campbell now has a work permit to play in England ##
How is any of this different to the stories of us bidding for Mata, Xabi Alonso and whoever else but failing to meet the clubs valuation? Until we match Liverpool or Madrid’s valuation, this is the same shit different toilet.
You're right about the perception of Arsenal but with our rich history and size of club it wouldn't take that much to change that perception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
Sign one big player and that would show everyone we mean business and are serious about competing, IMO.
Doesn't really matter what happens this season, the actions of past seasons are indictment enough. They have let the club fall into this state and they have done it deliberately. They chose the finances (particularly their own personal finances) over the football. Now when their excuses for shovelling money at themselves have worn thin and there's so much money coming in they can't hide it, yet again we see them penny pinching. A mother who won't feed her kids because supermarket prices are too high could also claim she is being financially prudent, in reality she's a lousy mother. Just as our board and manager are lousy at what they are supposed to be doing, competing on a football field. They could sign ten players this year but it doesn't excuse them of the damage already done.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
If we are playing mind games I'd just cut to the chase and say the Suarez circus is mostly about scupperring the Higuain deal. We put our bid in, it was accepted, the fans and media got excited, finally a big name is coming to Arsenal and then Higuain asks for £17.50 per year more than we are willing to pay. Put in a lowball bid for Suarez and send the message to Higuain he's not first choice (good thinking) and to Madrid that we're going to string them and mess them around. Madrid get upset and start biting back in the media. Success, everything blows up. We tried but everyone bar us was unreasonable. There's always January, we will sign big then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
There we are then, problems solved. Get him in and hype him as the new Thierry Wright. Pocket the money, move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
oh god this shit until end of 2nd Sept :ilt:
Absolutely, but Arsene and Ivan will proudly proclaim come September that we put "big" offers in for players but the price was too high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Arsene is a gambler, he lowballs in the hope the selling club will cave in, not going to happen with Suarez, Higuain or Fellaini, we either pay up (which is highly unlikely) or move on.
Ollie, past history suggests we won't firm up our interest or go any higher with any of the bids we have put in. Tell me this, why do only offer once and then walk away?Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Sunderland have signed Giaccherini. :blink:
Any good? Centre back, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
We'll need one with Verms out injured for 4 months.
True past history isn't great but then again we didn't have the money either. Have we walked away from Suarez? Apparently we have upped our bid. Hence why I'm waiting before judgingQuote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Nah, midfielder. Haven't seen him play for Juventus much but he has been good for Italy when I've seen him. Scored against Brazil in the Confederations Cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
How dafuq...??Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Looks a quality player, far too good for Sunderland.
Serious question.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Do you honestly believe we will sign Suarez? Liverpool will not give him away, I'd say if our interest is real we will get him for no less than 50million and that's if we are lucky. We are Liverpool's domestic rival FFS