Luis Suarez thread

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

1. i told you how we cocked it up. we had everything in place then it went tits up, that's cocking it up. as NQ says, there is no systematic plan to our transfers. it was a case of 'bid for him and him, oh and him... oh hang on... he's also available... fuck it back out of them and just go for him'. no thought went into the current squad, the effect it would have on them going into the new season with no new players etc. sure madrid slammed £10m onto the price at the end but there's ways of negotiating around that i.e. instalments, persuasion techniques. you dont just walk away from negotiations when someone revalues a good, you offer to negotiate further. but of the things i read we completely backed out. literally packed our bags and walked away, giving room for other teams like napoli to negotiate and get the player in an instance. its funny how we do the ground work for players then for one 'reason' or another it never works out, only for other teams to swipe in and get them. mata another example, a complete cock up. and why the hell did it take so long to finally negotiate terms? if we done it in a few weeks i doubt madrid would have hiked the price. they saw there was no movement in europe and that every top team needed a striker so thought 'you know what, we'll increase his price because demand + supply warrants it'. they are entitled to do that. if you wrap the deal up early july you dont leave room for the market to dictate terms.

2. higuain is world class. they are both world class. you dont have to devalue one to make your argument better. suarez has more to his game but you can't say higuain is not world class. look at his world class record. would i rather have suarez? sure. but id rather have higuain + fellaini than suarez. if we sign suarez we wont sign anyone else, the whole lot is blown.

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1. If we sign Suarez than nothing was cocked up. If we signed Higuain but could have signed Suarez that would have been a cock up.

2. Higuain is certainly not world class. He's not in the top ten forwards in the world - Suarez is.

If we sign Suarez we still cocked up, one player doesn't make a good summer, we needed 3-4 not one sole signing.

Had we had any decent plans in place we could have easily got them, you can reel off a long list of quality players who would make a difference, trouble is this club is a joke in the transfer market, everything we do is amateur and one marquee signing won't fix that. I also find it ironic that a club with "values" would be interested in one of the worst examples of a footballer around (not talent wise obviously).

In addition what possessed us to think that signing a player who is banned for 6 matches, who would cost 75+ million all in when we've signed noone else would be a good idea?

A single cell amoeba could have come up with better planning and transfer dealings to be honest.

How is he going to cost us £70 million, if as you say he will leave in a year or two? Tone down the hyperbole. :lol:

We're absolutely right to favour Suarez over Higuain, so long as we do see it through. He just does everything better than Higuain, bar clinical finishing probably.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

How is he going to cost us £70 million, if as you say he will leave in a year or two? Tone down the hyperbole. :lol:

We're absolutely right to favour Suarez over Higuain, so long as we do see it through. He just does everything better than Higuain, bar clinical finishing probably.

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Depends if you'd rather see 1 player come in or 3-4. I favour the latter, it's more logical for a team lacking in quality all over the pitch, you've also got to factor in the fact Suarez will probably end up missing a 3rd of the season suspended.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

We'll only get 30 million when he leaves! :lol:

Depends if you'd rather see 1 player come in or 3-4. I favour the latter, it's more logical for a team lacking in quality all over the pitch, you've also got to factor in the fact Suarez will probably end up missing a 3rd of the season suspended.

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Well I don't think signing Higuain at what was it, £33 million in the end is neccesarily going to leave us the option of many more players either. Us having to deal with players facing suspensions is hardly anything new!

We don't usually have to deal with players getting suspended for sh*t like biting someone though or racially abusing them. The biting thing is funny because he did it once, got banned and yet he still did it again.

He must be pretty th*ck to never learn from his mistakes.

As for Higuain maybe, but there have been plenty of players around all summer...why not try our luck with Lewandowski (I know he wants to go to Bayern but you never know) or maybe we could have tried to snap up Yilmaz he's awesome and would be a lot cheaper, or even Huntelaar again.

It's really quite odd how you are becoming Wenger and suggesting we buy the cheaper options because it makes more economic sense.

Suspensions are suspensions, if a player gets sent off twice in a season for violent conduct and a dangerous tackle, that's a seven match ban there. A five match ban if it's violent conduct and two yellow card offenses. You can take it in to consideration as to whether it is worth the risk and I would say, yes it probably is.

Lewandowski won't be sold. Anyway looking at any other striker is a bit of a red herring because it seems obvious to me from the heavy interest in Higuain and Suarez, we're obviously looking for a forward that is comfortable playing in a wider position and has the dribbling ability to go with it (presumably playing Suarez, Giroud and/or Walcott at the same time).

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

It's really quite odd how you are becoming Wenger and suggesting we buy the cheaper options because it makes more economic sense.

Suspensions are suspensions, if a player gets sent off twice in a season for violent conduct and a dangerous tackle, that's a seven match ban there. A five match ban if it's violent conduct and two yellow card offenses. You can take it in to consideration as to whether it is worth the risk and I would say, yes it probably is.

Lewandowski won't be sold. Anyway looking at any other striker is a bit of a red herring because it seems obvious to me from the heavy interest in Higuain and Suarez, we're obviously looking for a forward that is comfortable playing in a wider position and has the dribbling ability to go with it (presumably playing Suarez, Giroud and/or Walcott at the same time).

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Ah, crap! He's gonna play Suarez on the flanks isn't he? :doh:

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

It's really quite odd how you are becoming Wenger and suggesting we buy the cheaper options because it makes more economic sense.

Suspensions are suspensions, if a player gets sent off twice in a season for violent conduct and a dangerous tackle, that's a seven match ban there. A five match ban if it's violent conduct and two yellow card offenses. You can take it in to consideration as to whether it is worth the risk and I would say, yes it probably is.

Lewandowski won't be sold. Anyway looking at any other striker is a bit of a red herring because it seems obvious to me from the heavy interest in Higuain and Suarez, we're obviously looking for a forward that is comfortable playing in a wider position and has the dribbling ability to go with it (presumably playing Suarez, Giroud and/or Walcott at the same time).

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Not really no, I never once even suggested we should blow 40-50 million on one player, I just wanted quality a reasonablish price so we can bring a few players in (not the usual unknow sh*t Wenger signs though). The players suggested are quality and would improve the team without blowing the bank.

Suarez is a bit of a headcase though isn't he, the bans he gets are not your average run of the mill 3 match bans most players get, their bans for vicious/unacceptable behaviour, Cantona got banned for a long time and the same thing could easily happen to Suarez after all he's been caught twice in England now, next time they'll probably double the number of games.

If you don't try you never know for sure, yes that's probably a Wenger thing always wants a player to do more than just score goals, I was just pointing out there are cheaper options who are still top class and that would allow us to go out and sign a few more quality players like Shaquiri for example.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Ah, crap! He's gonna play Suarez on the flanks isn't he? :doh:

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Probably, sounds like Wenger thing to do doesn't it.