The next manager..

Benitez

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

The difference between Arsenal and other big clubs is that we're currently living well beyond our means, have gambled next year's budget on something that probably isn't going to come off, and we have neither the regular CL income nor the free-spending billionaire sugar-daddy needed to cover it. The infrastructure is also still in transition and all a bit of a mess right now. Believe me, I'd love to be in a place where we could casually bring in a top, proven coach and "push the boat out" for them, but I'm not sure we actually have a boat to push at the moment? That's not snobbery or superiority, it's just the reality of our present situation - we've gotten ourselves in a mess and we need to get our house in order before we can seriously think about approaching those kind of coaches again.

(What makes it all doubly-annoying is that we probably could afforded to give a top, proven coach some decent backing if we'd canned Emery off after the Europa final and made our move then.)

That being said, I do think there are still bold, ambitious appointments out there for us to make - top coaches, if you will - I just think we need to move for them early in their careers, like Klopp when he was still at Mainz (basically the coaching equivalent of moving for VVD when he was still at Celtic). That's where I think we are right now.

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I agree about the budget, but that's what makes keeping Emery on even more nonsensical, we need to qualify for the CL or it will really affect us financially due to these deals we deferred paying until the coming seasons.

I'm not sure we can't afford a top manager however, Wenger himself was on big bucks, I think it's more that we don't want someone who may question our methods and make it too hard for the guys above and if you look at the guys we're linked with they all appear to be exactly that.

I'm not entirely against a younger manager if that's the only option to replace Emery, but for me it would be someone who has at least proven to be half decent, someone who has managed, Vieira for example, not someone like Arteta who it totally unproven and whose only qualifications is hearsay from some of his friends.

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Originally Posted by Özim

I agree about the budget, but that's what makes keeping Emery on even more nonsensical, we need to qualify for the CL or it will really affect us financially due to these deals we deferred paying until the coming seasons.

I'm not sure we can't afford a top manager however, Wenger himself was on big bucks, I think it's more that we don't want someone who may question our methods and make it too hard for the guys above and if you look at the guys we're linked with they all appear to be exactly that.

I'm not entirely against a younger manager if that's the only option to replace Emery, but for me it would be someone who has at least proven to be half decent, someone who has managed, Vieira for example, not someone like Arteta who it totally unproven and whose only qualifications is hearsay from some of his friends.

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Mate, I don't think you'll find anyone who doesn't agree that keeping Emery on is nonsensical! The only reason I can think of that he's still here is that we don't have a suitable replacement lined up, or even a caretaker ready to step in. Beyond that, I really can't see what anyone at the club thinks is going to be gained by delaying the call? I've literally never seen any coach turn things around when they're this far gone.

When I say we can't afford one of the top managers, I meant that I don't think we'd have the funds to back their plans in any significant way right now. Which I think might be the same thing that you're getting at when you suggest that we don't want anyone who will start making a lot of big demands of the guys upstairs? I guess there are a couple of assets there that we could sell to fund a modest rebuild, but mostly I think we'll be pitching this as a 'work with what we have' type gig (at least to start with), which probably isn't going to appeal to anyone of a certain calibre.

Who knows though? Maybe we'll get lucky and find someone who's up for the challenge, and wants the glory of being the one to finally solve the Arsenal riddle.

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

Mate, I don't think you'll find anyone who doesn't agree that keeping Emery on is nonsensical! The only reason I can think of that he's still here is that we don't have a suitable replacement lined up, or even a caretaker ready to step in. Beyond that, I really can't see what anyone at the club thinks is going to be gained by delaying the call? I've literally never seen any coach turn things around when they're this far gone.

When I say we can't afford one of the top managers, I meant that I don't think we'd have the funds to back their plans in any significant way right now. Which I think might be the same thing that you're getting at when you suggest that we don't want anyone who will start making a lot of big demands of the guys upstairs? I guess there are a couple of assets there that we could sell to fund a modest rebuild, but mostly I think we'll be pitching this as a 'work with what we have' type gig (at least to start with), which probably isn't going to appeal to anyone of a certain calibre.

Who knows though? Maybe we'll get lucky and find someone who's up for the challenge, and wants the glory of being the one to finally solve the Arsenal riddle.

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It took Spurs 12 hours to find a replacement for Pochettino, they sacked him and replaced him in the morning, it seems to me the problem with Arsenal is that they are so slow at doing anything (remember the transfer sagas that went on for months and how long we took to get rid of Wenger), that by the time they do the ship has sailed and they are left behind. Why is it always this club that can't do this and can't do that, why do we always have to watch other clubs gettingtheir business done with minimum fuss whilst we just drag it out a ridiculous amount of time. Emery shouldn't even have made it to this season after last seasons collapse, but given that he did he should have been sacked and replaced several weeks ago now, we had an International breakample time to find a replacement.

At the end of the day we're a big club, we should have no problem attracting a decent manager if we really want one, unfortunately what we seem to want is to pay peanuts so we can maximise our profits, it's a false economy of course as that usually leads to lack of success on the pitch and less money, for years we've been cutting corners for once I wish we would do things properly like other clubs.

I look at Spurs and see that they sacked a manager who took them to the CL final last season, has been qualifying for the CL every season and generally progressed the club, it didn't take them long, they acted whilst there was time to recover and brought in a guy who some may not like but let's be honest is a winner, so far it's worked out well for them, it'll probably also mean they'll be able to attract better quality signings as Mourinho is certainly an inspirational manager for a lot of players, they look at his past record of success and see someone who is a winner and brings success, this isn't good news for us to be honest and I'm amazed people were happy to see him go there, I was hoping they'd appoint some 2nd rate manager like we invariably will.

Once again, the answer's Freddie as caretaker then appoint someone new once we've found someone we are really happy with.

Allegri's out for me as we can't have another manager who can't speak English and am still not sure about Arteta.

Or if Freddie's really good we appoint him full-time, but only after the season's ended.

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Originally Posted by Özim

It took Spurs 12 hours to find a replacement for Pochettino, they sacked him and replaced him in the morning, it seems to me the problem with Arsenal is that they are so slow at doing anything (remember the transfer sagas that went on for months and how long we took to get rid of Wenger), that by the time they do the ship has sailed and they are left behind. Why is it always this club that can't do this and can't do that, why do we always have to watch other clubs gettingtheir business done with minimum fuss whilst we just drag it out a ridiculous amount of time. Emery shouldn't even have made it to this season after last seasons collapse, but given that he did he should have been sacked and replaced several weeks ago now, we had an International breakample time to find a replacement.

At the end of the day we're a big club, we should have no problem attracting a decent manager if we really want one, unfortunately what we seem to want is to pay peanuts so we can maximise our profits, it's a false economy of course as that usually leads to lack of success on the pitch and less money, for years we've been cutting corners for once I wish we would do things properly like other clubs.

I look at Spurs and see that they sacked a manager who took them to the CL final last season, has been qualifying for the CL every season and generally progressed the club, it didn't take them long, they acted whilst there was time to recover and brought in a guy who some may not like but let's be honest is a winner, so far it's worked out well for them, it'll probably also mean they'll be able to attract better quality signings as Mourinho is certainly an inspirational manager for a lot of players, they look at his past record of success and see someone who is a winner and brings success, this isn't good news for us to be honest and I'm amazed people were happy to see him go there, I was hoping they'd appoint some 2nd rate manager like we invariably will.

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In fairness, while I agree with you re Spurs, and applaud them for making a quick and decisive decision, I think that this was made because Mourinho was available and not independently of it. It was made also because Spurs have a massive stadium debt to pay off, and cannot afford not to finish out of the top 4 this season. It is a gamble that could yet go wrong if their new manager loses the plot like he did at Manure, but I can see the logic of his appointment and am nervous about what he will achieve for them this season, even thiough personally I would not have him at our club.

I do agree with IAI's posts above, though. As I've explained, I don't think the board did too much wrong in appointing Emery in the first place, and them backing him with player aquisitions in the Summer. It hasn't worked out, but hindsight is a wonderful thing, and as IAI says, we are where we are - with a mess that has many aspects, not all of which are instantly solveable - or at least not with the money likely to be available to the club after a few years out of the CL. It's easy to speculate about what Arsenal should be doing in theory, and legitimate I suppose to complain that we aren't opening the cash floodgates to spend our way out of trouble, but we HAVE spent on players and wages recently, and look how that has worked out. We can look at other clubs, but I think the reality is that some decisions - both player wise and manager wise have worked, and an equal proportion of decisions have not. That is football.

I continue to feel that some of our woes can be addressed if Emery is replaced sensibly and straight away without breaking the bank for an illustrious name as manager. I would even accept Freddie as caretaker if he can get his licence. After that I would be content to wait and see what happens, because the realistic alternative is that Emery stays and runs our club into the ground.

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Originally Posted by Mac76

Once again, the answer's Freddie as caretaker then appoint someone new once we've found someone we are really happy with.

Allegri's out for me as we can't have another manager who can't speak English and am still not sure about Arteta.

Or if Freddie's really good we appoint him full-time, but only after the season's ended.

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Freddie might not be an option - doesn't have his full Uefa licence yet, so he'd only be allowed to do the job for a maximum of 3 months.

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Originally Posted by Özim

It took Spurs 12 hours to find a replacement for Pochettino, they sacked him and replaced him in the morning, it seems to me the problem with Arsenal is that they are so slow at doing anything (remember the transfer sagas that went on for months and how long we took to get rid of Wenger), that by the time they do the ship has sailed and they are left behind. Why is it always this club that can't do this and can't do that, why do we always have to watch other clubs gettingtheir business done with minimum fuss whilst we just drag it out a ridiculous amount of time. Emery shouldn't even have made it to this season after last seasons collapse, but given that he did he should have been sacked and replaced several weeks ago now, we had an International breakample time to find a replacement.

At the end of the day we're a big club, we should have no problem attracting a decent manager if we really want one, unfortunately what we seem to want is to pay peanuts so we can maximise our profits, it's a false economy of course as that usually leads to lack of success on the pitch and less money, for years we've been cutting corners for once I wish we would do things properly like other clubs.

I look at Spurs and see that they sacked a manager who took them to the CL final last season, has been qualifying for the CL every season and generally progressed the club, it didn't take them long, they acted whilst there was time to recover and brought in a guy who some may not like but let's be honest is a winner, so far it's worked out well for them, it'll probably also mean they'll be able to attract better quality signings as Mourinho is certainly an inspirational manager for a lot of players, they look at his past record of success and see someone who is a winner and brings success, this isn't good news for us to be honest and I'm amazed people were happy to see him go there, I was hoping they'd appoint some 2nd rate manager like we invariably will.

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The biggest evidence of a club that wants to make progress to me is Leicester City. They sacked Nigel Pearson despite them escaping relegation and then sacked Ranieri after he won them the PL title!!! They didnt then just sit there.. they appointed 5 other managers before they landed on Rodgers. If it doesnt work, move on.

We on the other hand cant tell our ass from our elbows and are constantly lumbering around with dead beat managers well beyond their expiration date.

Benitez... done the job before... won the CL and EL. the Chinese league season finishes end of this week.

He would get the team organised and improve us defensively and who says not make us more competitive and consistent even if its a 18 month contract

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

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The biggest evidence of a club that wants to make progress to me is Leicester City. They sacked Nigel Pearson despite them escaping relegation and then sacked Ranieri after he won them the PL title!!! They didnt then just sit there.. they appointed 5 other managers before they landed on Rodgers. If it doesnt work, move on.

We on the other hand cant tell our ass from our elbows and are constantly lumbering around with dead beat managers well beyond their expiration date.

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Leicester are actually a great example of what we should be aiming for. Nothing they're doing there is über-expensive or unachievable - it's just smart. Everything they're doing is smart.

Also worth noting with Leicester that it's not just about the decisive choices that they've made with managers - like Liverpool, they also haven't been afraid to sell on key assets and reinvest the money back into the squad to keep it evolving.