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Depends. Not sure he was given the role which suits him best last term. Cesc was in it. He was mucking in a bit more Arteta-like....and when Cesc was out, Nasri tended to be played there....we'll see soon enough I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Really not expecting much from him this season if im honest. Our record with players coming back from long term injuries and hitting form isnt good. They need 10 games at least.
Then hes going to fuck off to the Euro 2012/Olympics meaning he'll be dead when he comes back for us.
In short, we wont see the real Sir Jack of Wilshere til this time next year
We should just sign Goetze or Shaqiri tbf. Cripps and I will do the negotiations. :threaten:
you're probably right but he will at least be ready to get stuck into the dirty work straight away so with his energy and running it will only help the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Jesus H. Christ.Quote:
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It's been a problem for a while and yesterday's game really showed them up.
I can't see the point of Arteta. He has settled into a very comfortable role and taken a back seat in the shadows. It's really disappointing. He was Everton's playmaker and now he's Song's defensive little helper. Ramsey has taken on the creative role and he's not very good at it, but he never goes into hiding. He's always buzzing about looking for the ball. We just don't get that from Areta. He picks the ball up from deep, plays it to a centre back and doesn't even look for the return pass or get into a decent passing position. Watch him in the next game and which playere usually take on the responsibility of playing the ball forward from deep. Watch his movement and how often he comes looking for the ball.
People have said he's doing an underrated job but that's rubbish and the same argument I heard for Denilson performances. He was Everton's main playmaker and I expected him to take centre stage with us and want the ball, demand it and do something with it. So far, I've seen more of that from Ramsey and Song. Argue all you want about his 'solid defensive displays', that wasn't the player we were supposed to be buying. Young Coquelin could do that job and more. Arteta tracks a lot of runs and attempts tackles but it's not a dominant defensive display. I've seen Coquelin put that sort or shift in, same goes for Frimpong and Diaby at times. Arteta's physical attributes doen't suite that type of role so he shouldn't be playing it. We should probably swap him and Ramsey around and see what happens.
Against Fulham, we couldn't win the ball back and couldn't hold possession. There number 11 was running riot from the 1st half and Fulham had loads of attempts on goal. As we grew tired, they took over. The middle has always been a weakness. Ramsey and Arteta aren't a good pairing. One of them has to make way. All of our creativity has come from the front three and now that they're out of gas, someone from the middle has to step it up a notch. The lack of goals and creativity from the middle is a problem. Gerv and Theo took a lot of slack for the Fulhan loss and they stunk up the joint. But people seem to forget that Fulham ran riot in the middle and took over completely, even when we took Gerv and Theo off. Wenger needs to look into this in the next coming games. OP has a point. Yes, we've made it back up the table, but we've just started the new year and this is where the pressure is on. We could see the performance levels dropping ages ago and the warning signs were there. Question is, can the team turn it around or will we bottle it like we've done on the past?
Everton fans were saying Arteta had lost that spark a while ago. We probably knew what we were buying and his limitations. His deeper role is what he was bought for - pretty sure Wilshere is the Fabregas 'replacement', if you like. These days he's nothing special but I can't see how it's at all comparable to Denilson. Comparing him to a guy who was genuinely incompetent at his job is not right.
So far I've been happy with him. Disappointment is his set-pieces which evidently got lazy hype. His overall effect on our game has been good.
No, the argument about his role being underrated is comparable. He's not as lazy as Denilson and better at defending. He at least tracks his man. If Wilshere is to play the Fabs role, then Arteta was bought to stand in for Wilshere because Wenger said we bought because we knew the kid would be out for most of the season. As for us knowing what we were buying...not so sure about that.
This Denilson comparison is lazy, just like Denilson. Arteta is far more intellegent and anticipates and holds the ball far better. I, like others thought he was bought to replace cesc, but truth be told, i think wenger got sick of denilson and his shoddy performances and bought a player capable of filling that roll.If there has been a problem, it's ramsey's position as the one up top. He hasn't the legs just yet, but this will come with experience and the ability to get forward ahead of the game. He doesn't carry the ball like cesc, but in a way that's a good thing. Wilshire is the one who needs to play there, with either ramsey or arteta in behind. The balance will be much better then.
He's a better player than Denilson but just like a few seasons ago when Denilson was getting played week in week out, people were making out as if his role was more significant and important than what it actually was. I'm hearing the same sort of arguments on here about Arteta as if what he's doing is going unnoticed. It's not. It's like watching someone with a PHD settling for a job as a janitor and being content. If we needed a player to sit back and mop up, we could have got that a more from Coquelin and saved some money.Quote:
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I agree with the part about Ramsey and could have written a lot about him as well. He doesn't have the footballing intelligence to play in the final third. His passing is reckless, your right about him not having the legs to get into position. On fast breaks he's often missing and should be scoring more from cut backs. Gervinho and Walcott break into the box often enough. If he does get the cut back it can often take him ages to get the ball from under his feet or make a decision. He just can't play there. We need someone that thinks quicker and is a lot sharper. Rosicky should get a shot and I also think Arshavin should play there but more as an attacking midfielder. But for that to happen, the two sitting deep would have to stay tight and work their socks off but that's another thread.