What's the point getting 4th place?

Porto have won it twice

They had a world class manager the 2nd time round, no idea who was manager the first time

We have Wenger

Says it all im afraid

The only point is the money. Nothing more as we will never win it the way we are going now.

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Originally Posted by Joker

Whenever we've faced a decent side in the Champions League recently, we've gone out. Yes, we can make it out of the group phase comfortably, because the quality of opposition is so mediocre, but you know we'll struggle to get beyond the Quarter Finals these days. Yet Wenger acts as if qualification for this tournament is the holy grail. But what's the point if you're not even competing with the best teams in this tournament, and simply making up the numbers? Sure, smaller teams may just be happy to participate in the UCL, but we're meant to be a big club, and our move to the Emirates was supposed to facilitate our ascent to the top table of European football and become part of the elite. Instead, we've regressed so far that we are simply satisfied to qualify for the tournament, and pick up the money which is all the board and Wenger care about.

I don't give a shit about 4th place anymore, give me 5th/6th and an FA Cup win any day. The Arsenal Economists may think I'm talking bollocks, but I'm a fan at the end of the day, not an accountant worried about the financial costs and benefits of winning the FA Cup compared to qualifying for the UCL.

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well i can think of about £30million reasons why 4th is important

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Originally Posted by Ach

Porto have won it twice

They had a world class manager the 2nd time round, no idea who was manager the first time

We have Wenger

Says it all im afraid

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Think what Tpyo was trying to say was, that if Porto can win it when they did no reason we can't. Don't think Jose was the reason Porto won it in all fairness had they not cheated against the mancs they'd have gone out, he got luck which you need.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Think what Tpyo was trying to say was, that if Porto can win it when they did no reason we can't. Don't think Jose was the reason Porto won it in all fairness had they not cheated against the mancs they'd have gone out, he got luck which you need.

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^^ exactlys. It's a knock out tourney so the "best" doesn't always win.... if that makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Flavs

well i can think of about £30million reasons why 4th is important

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but that does not translate into 30 million attempts to buy some decent players. Just 30 million bits of paper that might as well go straight down the toilet for all the good it does.

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Originally Posted by MaxPeck

but that does not translate into 30 million attempts to buy some decent players. Just 30 million bits of paper that might as well go straight down the toilet for all the good it does.

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:gp: I'm tired of keeping PHW in cigars.

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Originally Posted by GB.

:gp: I'm tired of keeping PHW in cigars.

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Give them to me - my initials are PWH. :good:

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Originally Posted by Flavs

well i can think of about £30million reasons why 4th is important to P Diddy & his monopoly loving cronies.

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Fixed

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Originally Posted by tpyo

^^ exactlys. It's a knock out tourney so the "best" doesn't always win.... if that makes sense.

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For a guy that has served over 10 years with a top 4 European club and consistently qualified for the CL he's a very unlucky man. There aren't many managers that get a chance to build team after team over such a long period. Managers with such a long legacy with one club usually have a European cup win to their name.