Stick a Fork in Wenger...He's Done!!!

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Why should he have to explain why he wants him to stay?

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You are one weird guy

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Originally Posted by Fats

Come on guys, we all have different points of view and Ollie obviously has his and I think we should respect that regardless of others thinking differently.

Im intrigued as to his thoughts to why he thinks Wenger is still the man to take us forward.

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We are entitled to a different point of view and can think that you should not be intrigued, nor that we should respect others thinking differently.

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Originally Posted by GB.

Why is the same discussion appearing on two threads?

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It's groundhog day.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Spot on.

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No by all means, get Bould in as no.2. But what I'm saying is Pat takes an active role in the training pre match and either is totally behind the manager and his tactics, feels things need changing but has no ideas or is too scared to say anything either way i think he should have trusted his instincts and retired at the end of last season.

Surely Keown can be brought in to assist and I just dont see how money has anything to do with it. They can help, I doubt they dont want to help, so why not get it done. Keown's helped in the past and we had that CL run without conceding for how many games.

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Originally Posted by Ach

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You are one weird guy

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Originally Posted by Fats

Charlie, you understand the point of a debate forum right?

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

To go with the debate about why people want him to go?

Charlie. :rolleyes:

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Yes i understand its a debate forum, But should he have to explain, it would be nice if he did, but i don't think he has too if he did not want too. Just felt like people were saying he had too.

He will be killed if he doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner

He will be killed if he doesn't.

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DB for Mod!

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Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner

He will be killed if he doesn't.

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Pics or GTFO.

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Originally Posted by GB.

The stats presented by Letters while factually correct, are misleading. Last season is a case in point. Early in the campaign we were getting a shedload of goals from midfield. A poster (may have been LDG) expressed concern about this because the midfield scoring rate was unsustainable and we did not have the necessary firepower up front.

Those midfield goals duly dried up and the second half of the season was punctuated by bore draws at home to the likes of Sunderland and losses on our travels with the od glut of plus 1s in other games.

We have had a goal scoring problem for some time and certainly far longer than the bare facts suggest. That is not having a go at anyone, it is how I see it based on the stats and my experience.

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In our last 11 games last year which was the real collapse (W2 D6 L3) we scored 16 league goals.
There wasn't a glut of goals from us in any game, we only failed to score in 2 games. The problem is we conceded 16 in that time and only kept 3 clean sheets.

For comparison, Utd scored 17 goals in their last 11 games (W6 D2 L3), they conceded 12 goals and kept 4 clean sheet.

There were far too many games last year where we scored enough to get a good result but failed to get one
(2 at home to West Brom, 2 at home to Spurs, 2 away to Wigan, 4 away at Newcastle, 2 away at West Brom, 3 away at Spurs, 2 away at Fulham - we didn't win any of those games). IMO that was a far bigger problem. Overall we only failed to score in 6 league games last year, only one more than Utd.

I do think Coney has a point when he says we've struggled to score against teams who park the bus and we have certainly had spells over the last few seasons where we've thumped teams but not scored enough. Overall though the rate of conceding goals has, IMO, been a much bigger problem than the rate of scoring them. Happily this season we're crap at scoring (one player excepted) and defending so: :ilt:

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Originally Posted by Letters

In our last 11 games last year which was the real collapse (W2 D6 L3) we scored 16 league goals.
There wasn't a glut of goals from us in any game, we only failed to score in 2 games. The problem is we conceded 16 in that time and only kept 3 clean sheets.

For comparison, Utd scored 17 goals in their last 11 games (W6 D2 L3), they conceded 12 goals and kept 4 clean sheet.

There were far too many games last year where we scored enough to get a good result but failed to get one
(2 at home to West Brom, 2 at home to Spurs, 2 away to Wigan, 4 away at Newcastle, 2 away at West Brom, 3 away at Spurs, 2 away at Fulham - we didn't win any of those games). IMO that was a far bigger problem. Overall we only failed to score in 6 league games last year, only one more than Utd.

I do think Coney has a point when he says we've struggled to score against teams who park the bus and we have certainly had spells over the last few seasons where we've thumped teams but not scored enough. Overall though the rate of conceding goals has, IMO, been a much bigger problem than the rate of scoring them. Happily this season we're crap at scoring (one player excepted) and defending so: :ilt:

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Still, we are better than Chavs. Oh - and it's because we scored more goals to cover the ones we let in. :good: