Disappointment Knows No End

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Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner

thats quite ironic isn't it. you calling those that question wenger deluded but you blindly defending him from a majority of the responsibility. it's your stance that seems deluded. i refuse to believe the board would not sanction transfer dealings for our longest and most successful manager ever. fergie gets every tom dick and harry at his club even though they're up to their eye-balls in debt, but wenger - who himself approved some of those working above him in the interview process - is being defiantly told he cannot spend any money. that seems quite unrealistic. i know man united are winning trophies so sanctioning transfers may be easier for them but they aren't in the financial situation we find ourselves in. so you could argue that offsets the trophies argument. was it not wenger who said we will 'certainly' sign a defensive midfielder if song leaves? why did we not sign one? if you believe those close to the club he went as far as personally calling sahin and ticking all the boxes only to back out last minute. why would wenger go so far, only to back out last minute? is it because of the board, and if so, why were they happy to sanction benayouns loan last year when we found ourselves short in midfield yet were so against sanctioning sahin this year, when we are in the same situation? maybe the answer is wenger conformed to his usual ideologies i.e. the sudden news of jack coming back triggered a change of heart. if so, it stinks of another summer of wenger stubborness. the reports coming out of the club this morning were of wenger defending his transfer policies once again, he says the same stuff as before, "We have bought already - Lukas Podolski, Santi Cazorla, Olivier Giroud. But when you listen to people, you always have to buy more". Then he goes onto say "What is important is that we believe in the players we have and get our long-term injuries back, like Jack Wilshere". that tells me he's happy with the squad we have and he thinks we are capable of winning something. you yourself say that's not the case but wenger is disagreeing. he's willing to take the same risks, rely on the same crocked players and stick to the same ideologies, but you still don't question his transfer dealings and devoid him of the majority of responsiblity. at the same time, you're happy to blame the board even though they've proven they will back wenger when he has asked for an incoming player. what does wenger have to do for you to question his transfer dealings even though we have actual quotes attributing his decisions to his actions? and more importantly, why would wenger work with handcuffs on when he himself said he will leave if he does not have total control of transfers?

you're happy to give wenger the benefit of the doubt but your stance on the board is the complete opposite. i find that laughable.

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Stan Kroenke runs this club and calls all the shots. There's not even a minuscule possibility this isn't the case. Men like Kroenke don't spend £500mill to then hand control to football managers, that's just not the way business works. Nobody who is smart enough to have built wealth would then be dumb enough to risk it in such a cavalier manner. Kroenke is absolutely ruthless when it comes to money. You can see this from the way he muscled in and is now dismantling the team even more efficiently than the dirty turncoats who went before him. He's arrogant, arrogant enough to prevent a 30% shareholder having any say in how the club is run. But.

That doesn't mean Wenger isn't 100% happy with the direction Kroenke is taking. Seems he is. It appears their motives are different but their interests coincide. Wenger appears to be on some sort of mental breakdown crusade that's underpinned with all the best intentions but operating in the heart of a fantasy land. Winning in the honourable way (as he sees it), in a game without honour packed with people of zero character. Wenger's absolute conviction is just as damaging and arrogant as Kroenke's mechanical desire to rape the club. Wenger doesn't need the money, he needs to be proved right, to prevail. This is how he can love the club and destroy it at the same time. Kroenke shows no sign of lusting for anything beyond money. He is a vampire that exists to suck blood and can only exist by sucking blood. A creature right out of a horror movie, thriving in a world perfectly suited to his methods. Everything has been corrupted so it is inevitable his type rises to supremacy. Survival of the weakest, the most destructive and most foul. The fact Wenger's Disneyland agenda delivers money by the bucketload is a match made in (anti)-heaven. The football is long gone. Personal agendas are what we have left now. It's doubtful they even consider the needs of the fans. They probably believe the fans are too dumb to comprehend the "big picture", as they see it. The real delusions lie with the owners and the manager. They think their selfish ends can justify the means.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

i think everyone reaches a point where they no longer adapt and stay content as they are. for some people that happens in their teens, so wenger had a good run at it until his 50's.

the articles isn't suggesting he spends like those two, rather that he believes in building stable squads built on astute spending - a time now dead in football.

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fair enough.

but then why did he go and loan benayoun from one of those clubs who's mode of operation - the modern way -- he so morally opposes? Was that not him being a beneficiary of the system he castigates?

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

i think everyone reaches a point where they no longer adapt and stay content as they are. for some people that happens in their teens, so wenger had a good run at it until his 50's.

the articles isn't suggesting he spends like those two, rather that he believes in building stable squads built on astute spending - a time now dead in football.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

That doesn't mean Wenger isn't 100% happy with the direction Kroenke is taking. Seems he is. It appears their motives are different but their interests coincide. Wenger appears to be on some sort of mental breakdown crusade that's underpinned with all the best intentions but operating in the heart of a fantasy land. Winning in the honourable way (as he sees it), in a game without honour packed with people of zero character. Wenger's absolute conviction is just as damaging and arrogant as Kroenke's mechanical desire to rape the club. Wenger doesn't need the money, he needs to be proved right, to prevail. This is how he can love the club and destroy it at the same time. Kroenke shows no sign of lusting for anything beyond money. He is a vampire that exists to suck blood and can only exist by sucking blood. A creature right out of a horror movie, thriving in a world perfectly suited to his methods. Everything has been corrupted so it is inevitable his type rises to supremacy. Survival of the weakest, the most destructive and most foul. The fact Wenger's Disneyland agenda delivers money by the bucketload is a match made in (anti)-heaven. The football is long gone. Personal agendas are what we have left now. It's doubtful they even consider the needs of the fans. They probably believe the fans are too dumb to comprehend the "big picture", as they see it. The real delusions lie with the owners and the manager. They think their selfish ends can justify the means.

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Finally!

someone sums up AW's role perfectly. He knows what he is doing alright!

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Originally Posted by gooners

fair enough.

but then why did he go and loan benayoun from one of those clubs who's mode of operation - the modern way -- he so morally opposes? Was that not him being a beneficiary of the system he castigates?

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Why did he sell to those clubs he heavly and morally opposes? Fulham made a point of not selling dempsey to pool so why could Wenger and co not do that.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

They played it cleverly this summer, I'll give them that. They signed 3 players which looked like a great bit of business....got people signing up for season tickets again....then once they'd conned people they sold 2 first teamers and got more than their money back.....making the fans look like mugs once again.

A job well done by Wenger and co.

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Spot on, But like Terry said Fans are stupid and they fall for it everytime. Maybe its because they love the club and always will, we find it hard to be less attached but once your interest in football waines maybe we will someday.

I hate the game and not just because od us but the way the who sport has turned out.

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Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner

thats quite ironic isn't it. you calling those that question wenger deluded but you blindly defending him from a majority of the responsibility. it's your stance that seems deluded. i refuse to believe the board would not sanction transfer dealings for our longest and most successful manager ever. fergie gets every tom dick and harry at his club even though they're up to their eye-balls in debt, but wenger - who himself approved some of those working above him in the interview process - is being defiantly told he cannot spend any money. that seems quite unrealistic. i know man united are winning trophies so sanctioning transfers may be easier for them but they aren't in the financial situation we find ourselves in. so you could argue that offsets the trophies argument. was it not wenger who said we will 'certainly' sign a defensive midfielder if song leaves? why did we not sign one? if you believe those close to the club he went as far as personally calling sahin and ticking all the boxes only to back out last minute. why would wenger go so far, only to back out last minute? is it because of the board, and if so, why were they happy to sanction benayouns loan last year when we found ourselves short in midfield yet were so against sanctioning sahin this year, when we are in the same situation? maybe the answer is wenger conformed to his usual ideologies i.e. the sudden news of jack coming back triggered a change of heart. if so, it stinks of another summer of wenger stubborness. the reports coming out of the club this morning were of wenger defending his transfer policies once again, he says the same stuff as before, "We have bought already - Lukas Podolski, Santi Cazorla, Olivier Giroud. But when you listen to people, you always have to buy more". Then he goes onto say "What is important is that we believe in the players we have and get our long-term injuries back, like Jack Wilshere". that tells me he's happy with the squad we have and he thinks we are capable of winning something. you yourself say that's not the case but wenger is disagreeing. he's willing to take the same risks, rely on the same crocked players and stick to the same ideologies, but you still don't question his transfer dealings and devoid him of the majority of responsiblity. at the same time, you're happy to blame the board even though they've proven they will back wenger when he has asked for an incoming player. what does wenger have to do for you to question his transfer dealings even though we have actual quotes attributing his decisions to his actions? and more importantly, why would wenger work with handcuffs on when he himself said he will leave if he does not have total control of transfers?

you're happy to give wenger the benefit of the doubt but your stance on the board is the complete opposite. i find that laughable.

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:gp: and as Gooner said, history shows that Wenger has been stubborn for years, just look back at his days in Monaco. Without Wenger, this con wouldn't work. He's the confidence man and face for the Arsenal Board members. He chooses to con the fans and lashes out us for our 'impatience' when we're displeased. In this day and age where information is king and so many media outlets are around to get a story across, I'm surprised he hasn't used a 'source' to leak a story to the fans to suggest he's just as pissed off with the current regime. This summer, I've seen how sly the club have been, using the PR machine to pump out stories about RVP and Song. He has friends in the press and if he was being unfairly portrayed, why hasn't he fought back? Today, he's fired right back at the fans and his critics with nonsense statement and there is no need.

RVP was right to leave the club and he wasn't bullshitting when he said he wasn't please with that meeting he had with Wenger and Gazidis. Just look at the final results. They're a bunch of liars. Poldoski was lined up months ago to replace RVP and Giroud was in line to come over as soon as RVP made his intentions clear about his future. The placed a gag on him and then spewed some garbage about it being all about money and us having no choice to sell to our rivals. Bollocks. They saw the money and started to drool. Remember, RVP was in ameeting with both Gazidis and Wenger, so what the heck was said? Seems bloody obvious now. We have no ambition and no intention of strengthening the squad.

Will getting rid of Wenger solve the problem...who knows but I know this stratgey isn't possible without him. He's philosophy of nurturing young talent has infected the club and it wasn't always like this. I hope, there are no Wenger disciples out there and who ever we appoint next as manager can slap some sense into the Board members about how to be successful on the pitch.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

:gp: and as Gooner said, history shows that Wenger has been stubborn for years, just look back at his days in Monaco. Without Wenger, this con wouldn't work. He's the confidence man and face for the Arsenal Board members. He chooses to con the fans and lashes out us for our 'impatience' when we're displeased. In this day and age where information is king and so many media outlets are around to get a story across, I'm surprised he hasn't used a 'source' to leak a story to the fans to suggest he's just as pissed off with the current regime. This summer, I've seen how sly the club have been, using the PR machine to pump out stories about RVP and Song. He has friends in the press and if he was being unfairly portrayed, why hasn't he fought back? Today, he's fired right back at the fans and his critics with nonsense statement and there is no need.

RVP was right to leave the club and he wasn't bullshitting when he said he wasn't please with that meeting he had with Wenger and Gazidis. Just look at the final results. They're a bunch of liars. Poldoski was lined up months ago to replace RVP and Giroud was in line to come over as soon as RVP made his intentions clear about his future. The placed a gag on him and then spewed some garbage about it being all about money and us having no choice to sell to our rivals. Bollocks. They saw the money and started to drool. Remember, RVP was in ameeting with both Gazidis and Wenger, so what the heck was said? Seems bloody obvious now. We have no ambition and no intention of strengthening the squad.

Will getting rid of Wenger solve the problem...who knows but I know this stratgey isn't possible without him. He's philosophy of nurturing young talent has infected the club and it wasn't always like this. I hope, there are no Wenger disciples out there and who ever we appoint next as manager can slap some sense into the Board members about how to be successful on the pitch.

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Originally Posted by gooners

fair enough.

but then why did he go and loan benayoun from one of those clubs who's mode of operation - the modern way -- he so morally opposes? Was that not him being a beneficiary of the system he castigates?

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i can't answer that - i guess everyone does things that move against their beliefs at times, that would be my guess. i've no clearer idea than you on who he really is, i just felt that article summed up what seems to have happened.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Stan Kroenke runs this club and calls all the shots. There's not even a minuscule possibility this isn't the case. Men like Kroenke don't spend £500mill to then hand control to football managers, that's just not the way business works. Nobody who is smart enough to have built wealth would then be dumb enough to risk it in such a cavalier manner. Kroenke is absolutely ruthless when it comes to money. You can see this from the way he muscled in and is now dismantling the team even more efficiently than the dirty turncoats who went before him. He's arrogant, arrogant enough to prevent a 30% shareholder having any say in how the club is run. But.

That doesn't mean Wenger isn't 100% happy with the direction Kroenke is taking. Seems he is. It appears their motives are different but their interests coincide. Wenger appears to be on some sort of mental breakdown crusade that's underpinned with all the best intentions but operating in the heart of a fantasy land. Winning in the honourable way (as he sees it), in a game without honour packed with people of zero character. Wenger's absolute conviction is just as damaging and arrogant as Kroenke's mechanical desire to rape the club. Wenger doesn't need the money, he needs to be proved right, to prevail. This is how he can love the club and destroy it at the same time. Kroenke shows no sign of lusting for anything beyond money. He is a vampire that exists to suck blood and can only exist by sucking blood. A creature right out of a horror movie, thriving in a world perfectly suited to his methods. Everything has been corrupted so it is inevitable his type rises to supremacy. Survival of the weakest, the most destructive and most foul. The fact Wenger's Disneyland agenda delivers money by the bucketload is a match made in (anti)-heaven. The football is long gone. Personal agendas are what we have left now. It's doubtful they even consider the needs of the fans. They probably believe the fans are too dumb to comprehend the "big picture", as they see it. The real delusions lie with the owners and the manager. They think their selfish ends can justify the means.

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This is what I don't get....Stan was brought in by David Dein orinially and we know Dein thinks we need outside investment to compete. Stan must have been all for that when he first hooked up with Dein. Since being invited in to the Board, he's become the opposite of what Dein intended. So what has happend? He's also supposed to be a massive fan of Wenger's philsophy now and it seems as if he's been indoctrinated with the Wenger bullshit since joining the Board. Any American's on here have a clue at what's happend with his other clubs like the Denver Nuggets, Rams, and Rapids?