is there a scenario for wenger to stay?

If he makes top four again he deserves to stay.

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Originally Posted by Boss

If he makes top four again he deserves to stay.

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if i shoot myself in the head repeatedly and i dont die, i deserve to live ;)

I think the thing we are all learning about Wenger now, is that maybe he truly didn't make any player great, but the players made him look great.

We are now learning that Wenger like most managers/coaches, is as good as the talent he has. What Wenger was and still is, is a great talent evaluator. But as a tactician, and what not, he's lacking in that department.

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Originally Posted by hobson's choice

I think the thing we are all learning about Wenger now, is that maybe he truly didn't make any player great, but the players made him look great.

We are now learning that Wenger like most managers/coaches, is as good as the talent he has. What Wenger was and still is, is a great talent evaluator. But as a tactician, and what not, he's lacking in that department.

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Some of his signings a few minutes ago, have really thrown this particular sentiment into sharp focus.

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Originally Posted by JoshGooner

Some of his signings a few minutes ago, have really thrown this particular sentiment into sharp focus.

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denilson? --- what a fraud.

i cant believe wenger called him our great passer.

but then again, he called eboue a passmeister! :haha:

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Originally Posted by gooners

Yes, i can.

It is wenger's modus operandus. And those of us that avidly observed the trend way back when predicted the current malaise that surrounds the club. It is why this tete-a-tete with you in this thread started --- that there was this case to be made EVEN back then that Wenger had to go, and it was made.

That is the point of this discussion.

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Is it? Surely your underlying point is the fact you are pissed because people jumped all over you back then for suggesting he should go? Did I answer that in this thread or another of the ongoing threads that are focused on the same issue? Can't recall. But in brief I asked what does it matter who said what when? It was never going to be the case everyone would reach agreement simultaneously. It seems to me that everyone is now on the same page. If we were all fighting back then then great, I love a good fight. Now we are not fighting, we agree. So what's the issue?

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

lets face the fact that we wont get a new manager till next summer at the earliest. is there a way you would like wenger to stay, or rather feel he deserves to stay based on what he does from now to end of season.

if he won the COC and thats it, should he stay or go?

if he won the cup double would that be good enough?

if he won the champions league?

if we put up a dam good fight from now to the end and lose in finals to the better team?

or is this it, he can go no further with us no matter what he does? these are scenarios, so lets not argue about wehter they can happen etc, just interested to see whether something would make you consider him staying.

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Ollie, it's over, Wenger is finished.

Anyway, I wanted him gone 2 seasons ago, he's damaging his reputation beyond belief and it's sad to see a guy who use to win things and has been a great servant to the club doing this.

He's not proving anybody wrong, he's just digging himself deeper into a hole.

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Originally Posted by selassie

Ollie, it's over, Wenger is finished.

Anyway, I wanted him gone 2 seasons ago, he's damaging his reputation beyond belief and it's sad to see a guy who use to win things and has been a great servant to the club doing this.

He's not proving anybody wrong, he's just digging himself deeper into a hole.

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Agreed.

Though. There is still this part of me that wants him to go and win something. Stick it up everyone who doubted him (including me now), and give it one big last ultimate WUMger.

I don't care what anyone says (and people are always entitled to think what they want of others), I will always treasure watching his teams from 96 to 2006 espcially.

What's wierd, is that I'm falling out of love with football, just as much as Arsene is falling out of favour with me. The two aren't directly linked....but they are by a few degrees of separation.

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Originally Posted by Boss

If he makes top four again he deserves to stay.

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I dunno. I actually think he will do that and I accept we don't have the resources of the top 3 and that makes it hard to compete but we should be able to do better than the teams we seem to now be competing with.
Right now it's the top 3 and 'the rest'. We are the rest, possibly the best of the rest but way below the top 3.
IMO with our resources we should be part of a top 4. Bottom of the top 4, maybe, but the gap should be between us and 'the rest', not between the top 3 and us.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Agreed.

Though. There is still this part of me that wants him to go and win something. Stick it up everyone who doubted him (including me now), and give it one big last ultimate WUMger.

I don't care what anyone says (and people are always entitled to think what they want of others), I will always treasure watching his teams from 96 to 2006 espcially.

What's wierd, is that I'm falling out of love with football, just as much as Arsene is falling out of favour with me. The two aren't directly linked....but they are by a few degrees of separation.

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This. Like i said he is still a good manager, but I just don't think he and this club are good for each other anymore.

And i think as much as we needs a new challenge.

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What's wierd, is that I'm falling out of love with football,

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Your not the only one, football is not the game it once was.