Arsenal on the slide?

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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)

Do you think we'll do better when Wenger goes? Really?

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I dont know that. Nobody does but i think its time we took that risk cos the one we thing we do know is that if Wenger stays then we are going one way and one way only and thats down.

Not necessarily relegation although i did make that Clough comparison on another thread but certainly out of the top 4.

We might get worse after Wenger. On the other hand, we might get better depending on who comes in. Plenty of decent managers out there who have won trophies for their clubs.

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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)

Do you think we'll do better when Wenger goes? Really?

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To be honest I'm beyond the point of caring now. I think the club needs to gamble in some shape or form, whether that's in the transfer market or getting rid of Wenger I am open to both.

This is not our fault of course, but I resent the fact that 4th can get you into the CL. That's essentially why Wenger is still in a job and gets by relatively unquestioned, because he can qualify for this predictable money spinning competition that we don't have a hope of winning anytime soon. It might be beneficial to the board but for us the fans I don't think we take much pleasure anymore in qualifying.

I think the original article is pretty rubbish tbh.

The problem is not terminal, it can be set right pretty easily. It's the people at the top and our manager who need to do it though....and I'm pretty sure the message is starting to come through loud and clear.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

To be honest I'm beyond the point of caring now. I think the club needs to gamble in some shape or form, whether that's in the transfer market or getting rid of Wenger I am open to both.

This is not our fault of course, but I resent the fact that 4th can get you into the CL. That's essentially why Wenger is still in a job and gets by relatively unquestioned, because he can qualify for this predictable money spinning competition that we don't have a hope of winning anytime soon.

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Yeah me too, I don't give a toss about 4th place to be honest, sick of just making up the numbers in the CL too.

I'd rather we got someone new in, we might do worse of course but at least it's also possible we could do better, moreover we'd have hope at least.

4th place gets you into the CL, what a joke it's suppose to be the "Champions" league not the Champions, 2nd, 3rd and 4th place losers league. I could just about live with the top 2 going into it, but 4 teams...that's ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Yeah me too, I don't give a toss about 4th place to be honest, sick of just making up the numbers in the CL too.

I'd rather we got someone new in, we might do worse of course but at least it's also possible we could do better, moreover we'd have hope at least.

4th place gets you into the CL, what a joke it's suppose to be the "Champions" league not the Champions, 2nd, 3rd and 4th place losers league. I could just about live with the top 2 going into it, but 4 teams...that's ridiculous.

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True, even if there are negative effects in the short run (i.e. dropping out of the top 4) surely it is worth it if in the long run we can break this cycle of stagnation and actually go on win trophies? We can be conservative and worry about the effects of Wenger leaving, but if we maintain that mentality, we'll be stuck with top 4 finishes and no trophies every year, and eventually we'll drop out of the Champions League places anyway, with other teams around us improving.

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Originally Posted by LDG

I think the original article is pretty rubbish tbh.

The problem is not terminal, it can be set right pretty easily. It's the people at the top and our manager who need to do it though....and I'm pretty sure the message is starting to come through loud and clear.

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The message maybe getting to them but do they really care? I mean honestly?

How patronising is it that we have Hill-Wood stating that anyone who dares question the running of the club is Stupid and Arsene who defiantly states that anybody who questions how we perform is "impatient". It's totally and utterly ridiculous IMHO

I do think it's getting to the point where we need to take the risk but I also think we're quite likely to get worse post-Wenger and some are underestimating how good he is. For all the frustrations he's not suddenly become a bad manager. He's kept us top 4 and while I no longer care about that - I'd rather be in mid-table and win a trophy - I think some are underestimating how well he's done to achieve that. Plenty of other managers have spent far more in an attempt to make their sides a fixture in the top 4 and failed miserably.

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Originally Posted by selassie

The message maybe getting to them but do they really care? I mean honestly?

How patronising is it that we have Hill-Wood stating that anyone who dares question the running of the club is Stupid and Arsene who defiantly states that anybody who questions how we perform is "impatient". It's totally and utterly ridiculous IMHO

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Depends whether they're interested in seeing declining match revenue I guess. It's pretty obvious people are going to start voting with their feet sooner rather than later.

Mr Wenger knows he's fucked up too. I expect him to be quite ruthless this summer. Whether that's too little too late for next season I don't know.

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Originally Posted by selassie

The message maybe getting to them but do they really care? I mean honestly?

How patronising is it that we have Hill-Wood stating that anyone who dares question the running of the club is Stupid and Arsene who defiantly states that anybody who questions how we perform is "impatient". It's totally and utterly ridiculous IMHO

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I'm not sure the message is even getting through tbh. It's certainly not gotten through to the board, who showed how out of touch they are by hiking ticket prices at a time of austerity and fan disillusionment. Moreover, you only need to read the comments of (as you say) PHW to see the disdain he feels for the supporters.

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Originally Posted by Punchinello Beezo

Jesus if this is the bottom for our club then we are very, very priveleged

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Meh, I was only kidding but actually I really don't see us going any lower. I think we've reached our plateau at 4th. Can't really make an informed opinion until the transfer window is closed, but right now I don't see Spuds or the scousers finishing above us next year. And long term I don't see us dropping out of the CL spots either.