Match Reaction Arsenal v/s Burnley, Nov 1

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Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice

Koeman has impressed but I am willing to bet anybody on this forum any amount of money (that a lowly poorboy like myself can afford) that Southampton will not make top 4. Feel free to earmark and dig this post out at May too. They won't finish top 4, just as Everton didn't last season and just as Spurs or Everton won't this season.

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Koeman is a decent manager but he's all flavour of the month like Laudrep, Martinez and even Coyle were at one point.

He had terrible spells at both Valencia and AZ previously so I imagine it won't be that long before we see Southampton start going backwards, though they might still make top four given how abject us, Liverpool and Utd have been at times this season.

As for Wenger replacements it can't be anyone other than Klopp. He's tailored made for us - similar philosophy, right age and a dominant personality to take control of the entire club. And he always speaks very highly of us and Wenger.

Eventually he's going to get sick of the lopsided nature of the Bundesliga with Bayern able to poach their best players next summer (with Reus up next) and decide to call it quits. A hefty pay package should also entice him as well as basically the opportunity to go into to go into a club which has the resources to dominate everything.

You won't get the Moyes BS of the players not respecting him either because he's an unknown quantity who hasn't won anything either. Tbh, I'd much rather stick with Wenger until we can be certain of getting Klopp rather than jump the gun for a lesser manager. For all of Wenger's issues, we're hardly in free fall right now - just not where we ideally hope to be.

Yes - Klopp for me. If he has been able to give Bayern a good run for their money over recent years with a comparatively small budget & the fact that they regularly nick his best players - would be good to see what he could do with some real money to spend. I like his high tempo pressing football & think it is ideally suited to the P.L. - He will struggle to replace Lewandowski's goals & they will lose games this year due to this but I think he is the ideal choice for us. Trouble is we may not be such an attractive proposition in a few years time if Dot Cotton continues to not spend in areas of desperate need.

The last point is entirely wrong. With the resources at the disposal of the Club, assuming they continue to be made available, we are and will be an incredibly attractive proposition for the world's top managers.

And that is before we even begin to consider how well we remunerated the post.

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

Koeman is a decent manager but he's all flavour of the month like Laudrep, Martinez and even Coyle were at one point.

He had terrible spells at both Valencia and AZ previously so I imagine it won't be that long before we see Southampton start going backwards, though they might still make top four given how abject us, Liverpool and Utd have been at times this season.

As for Wenger replacements it can't be anyone other than Klopp. He's tailored made for us - similar philosophy, right age and a dominant personality to take control of the entire club. And he always speaks very highly of us and Wenger.

Eventually he's going to get sick of the lopsided nature of the Bundesliga with Bayern able to poach their best players next summer (with Reus up next) and decide to call it quits. A hefty pay package should also entice him as well as basically the opportunity to go into to go into a club which has the resources to dominate everything.

You won't get the Moyes BS of the players not respecting him either because he's an unknown quantity who hasn't won anything either. Tbh, I'd much rather stick with Wenger until we can be certain of getting Klopp rather than jump the gun for a lesser manager. For all of Wenger's issues, we're hardly in free fall right now - just not where we ideally hope to be.

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Who heard about Wenger before he joined us? Who knew about Klopp before he joined Dortmund? Ditto for Simeone before Athletico.. I am all for Klopp, but I am all for giving a promising manager the reigns of the club as well. I like Martinez and I really do think that if he is given our resources, he will do really well!

I like Maritnez, but definitely prefer Klopp. The latter is proven in both domestic and Europe competitions. :coffee:

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

Who heard about Wenger before he joined us? Who knew about Klopp before he joined Dortmund? Ditto for Simeone before Athletico.. I am all for Klopp, but I am all for giving a promising manager the reigns of the club as well. I like Martinez and I really do think that if he is given our resources, he will do really well!

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Not many, but you have to put that in the context of football at time which was pre mass internet forums/wikipedia/youtube/twitter era when football, especially in other places outside of England, was less covered and less well known. Simeone would have been considered "unknown" then. If you look at Wenger's actual record prior to joining Arsenal it was actually half decent - he did very well at Monaco.

Martinez has all the same flaws as Wenger except without some of the benefits. He's unable to sort out a defence, has little in the way of a plan B and isn't good with squad management.


The problem with going for a Martinez now is that we may end up being stuck with him when Klopp does actually become available at which point he may end up going to Man Utd (after Van Genius gets the boot) essentially making him unattainable. Keep Wenger until Klopp becomes available which I suspect will be close to when Wenger's contract runs out (i.e. two years).

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

You on the other hand may not have a life

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I can't work out if that's an insult or a threat

I still find it funny that people think I'm pro Wenger, my views are fluid ultimately I'm consistent in my view that I don't think he can win major titles with us anymore. But I'm not overly convinced anyone can in the world of money dominated football, could we be doing better? Yes do I think Chelsea would win the league this season no matter who was in charge? Also yes.

It's not give Wenger a break, I just find a lot of the anger against him petulant.

I support the club and want the team to win, and I find the idea of wanting the team to loose in the vein hope of what I see as change for changes sake counter-intuitive

Come the end of the season no trophies, no top four...I will once again join the ranks of those demanding he lose his job. If not I'm patient enough to wait until 2017

I don't want someone like Klopp, for me the worst aspect of Wenger as a manager is that he defers to no one and that he runs the football side of the club completely by himself. I cannot see someone like Klopp being any different (that and I think his Borussia Dortmund team have been seriously found out now in the Bundesliga).
I don't actually think we need a big name, we need someone with big, fresh ideas and can work as the head of a large coaching team. I'd be happier with Steve Bould, or this Paul Clement guy from Real Madrid we've been linked with.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I can't work out if that's an insult or a threat

I still find it funny that people think I'm pro Wenger, my views are fluid ultimately I'm consistent in my view that I don't think he can win major titles with us anymore. But I'm not overly convinced anyone can in the world of money dominated football, could we be doing better? Yes do I think Chelsea would win the league this season no matter who was in charge? Also yes.

It's not give Wenger a break, I just find a lot of the anger against him petulant.

I support the club and want the team to win, and I find the idea of wanting the team to loose in the vein hope of what I see as change for changes sake counter-intuitive

Come the end of the season no trophies, no top four...I will once again join the ranks of those demanding he lose his job. If not I'm patient enough to wait until 2017

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I see where your coming from but there's a part of me that wonders how close we may have got over recent years, especially last, if we had had a manager who was far more active in buying quality in positions of need & getting rid of deadwood that we seem to keep around hoping one day they'll come good. The last time Utd won the league was an awful season. United's team was poor & all the money in the world couldn't help the Chavs or Gypos beat them. Last year a manager aware that long term injuries to Rambo & Walcott at Xmas would mean our goals drying up, would surely have bought in a goalscorer or 2 in Jan window when given a realistic chance of winning the title.
To me the comfort of 4th & C.L. football is what Wenger is all about & the problem is that the board are more than happy with that aswell.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I can't work out if that's an insult or a threat

I still find it funny that people think I'm pro Wenger, my views are fluid ultimately I'm consistent in my view that I don't think he can win major titles with us anymore. But I'm not overly convinced anyone can in the world of money dominated football, could we be doing better? Yes do I think Chelsea would win the league this season no matter who was in charge? Also yes.

It's not give Wenger a break, I just find a lot of the anger against him petulant.

I support the club and want the team to win, and I find the idea of wanting the team to loose in the vein hope of what I see as change for changes sake counter-intuitive

Come the end of the season no trophies, no top four...I will once again join the ranks of those demanding he lose his job. If not I'm patient enough to wait until 2017

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You say you are not pro-Wenger but you manage to work yourself in a frenzy whenever someone even hints he might not be doing a good job. Let some criticism of Wenger on these pages pass over your head and then Ill know you dont genuflect respectfully before his life size portrait each morning and whisper several prayers for his safety before you sleep at night.

He is after all a football manager Im sure even his missus accepts criticism of him goes with the territory