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Yeah.... probably should have just said their scattergun approach in the last 20 years has only led to them winning 5 EPLs, umm 4 European Trophies, ahh countless players and nights their fans couldn't forget in a decade; while effectively usurping us as Top Dawg in these parts......but I'm sure you'll be able to counter by listing the excitement our carefully thought out meticulous approach has elicited in you and the rest of goonerdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
All their achievements have been bought at the largesse of owners. You can bemoan all you like the fact that we’ve not adopted that model, but it is what it is. If we’d lost out to someone like Liverpool who we seem to largely be trying to emulate to various degrees I’d see your point, but Todd Boehly is doing drunk silly spending which you imagine will catch up with them long term.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
Listen I get the disappointment I really do, but the main difference between what we offered and what Chelsea offered is that they offered 60 odd million cash up front, unless the Kroenkes are prepared to do that for us…I can’t see how it comes down to a failed negotiation strategy.
You can complain that the Kroenkes are not giving us enough funds to compete but that’s a different matter entirely
That our alternative target appears to be Raphinia, suggests there is a downside to clubs spending beyond their means in the hope of short term success. For all we know, we might end up with Mudryk in a year or two because Chelsea are having to do a fire sale.
There's a reputational aspect too, if we don't get Raphina or someone else good we don't look serious about being a top side, we really need to get him or Torres over the line now
Whilst I think we need to make a signing, the reputation thing is bollocks…who the fuck cares? It’s not kids in a playground. Plus rather be thought of as a club that won’t spend big to win things (as if Mudryk was going to be the difference between us winning the league or not) rather than a club that other clubs see coming that they can offload their shite on for ridiculous money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
More examples of the delusional hypocritical bullshit up here.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
When you've gotten off your high horse, you can educate me how our first period of dominance in the 30's came from always doing the right thing and being the moral compass of English football.
You can also tell me how much you hated Graham's success because he took bungs. Then you can tell me how annoyed you got when AW started scouring the globe looking for cheap undervalued international (mostly African) talent to fill an ENGLISH premier league club, not giving a damn about the other countries or leagues they came from ( we even had the audacity to buy a feeder club in Belgium to make our Trans Atlantic rape easier). Then tell me how angry you got when we were one of the first clubs to field a non British starting 11.
Then you can go on an tell me how disgusted you felt by every goal Walcott scored when we took the innocence out of youth football in this country.
Ah don't forget to also point out how you feel that every goal Nketiah scores gives you more joy and pleasure than anything you witnessed from our break the record signings like Sanchez, Ozil, Laca and Auba.
Please give the f*king hypocrisy a rest.
For a long period in time we use to compete with all we had (f*ck, even resources we didn't have), we don't anymore, thats the summary of our years under Kronke, pretending to compete.
If you're happy with that, then good on you.
We'll still pay over the odds for both players and they are not really what the club wanted initally....its the Pepe mistake all over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Personally, if I had my way, I wouldn't waste money on a winger anymore...the kid was special and we lost that opportunity so no need to over compensate.
HCZ seems to think you don't win the league based on one players contribution :) (Vieira, Vieira, Viera...) God forbid but lets see what happens when we don't have Partey for a long stretch.
IMO, we should go all out to strengthen the midfield and get him proper cover. That is our weakest position. That and another creative number 10.
It’s not about the Moral high ground. You’re reading into something which I’m not saidQuote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
I’ve not said it’s a good thing we don’t have a money is no issue benefactor but it’s a fact. And bemoaning that jars with the reality of the situation.
Mate you’re going off on one and claiming things I’ve simply not saidQuote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
I didn’t say one player is not instrumental to winning the league, I said that it’s unlikely Mudryk is that player and is not in fact an investment for the future (which I absolutely believe he was, and whilst it’s disappointing to lose out to Chelsea…I don’t believe the player was being bought for this seasons title push)
Chelsea's approach in the transfer market now is wildly different to their approach when they were truly successful, I.E Winning titles regularly. Look at the mess Chelsea made with the Fernandez deal. Look at the number of attacking players they have brought in since the summer, their approach in the market is "hit and hope", they are all over the place with their recruitment, none of it makes much sense TBH.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
I get the frustration with Arsenal in the market, but we are where we are and as long as we sought alternative options then I have confidence in Arteta and Edu, they have got a lot right in the market over the past few seasons.
The problem isn't money, its the current nauseating culture that permeates this club i.e. you don't have to go the extra mile to be successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Are you aware that it was Chelsea's co-owner that flew to meet the owner of Shakatar to wrap this deal up on Friday? Do you know if you add the net worth of both him and Bohely it still wouldn't be up to Kronke's net worth, let alone his wife? This is after splashing 12m plus on a loan deal for 5 months. I am almost 100% certain that it was the red card Felix got that made them complete this deal, despite knowing the player wanted to come to us.
This "madness" as you call it, is what I miss about having passionate or goal oriented people running this club..."tell me what you want and I'll give it to you", this is what AW use to say Dein did for him.
Honestly, I feel Kronke can be the way he is because he met a culture in this club that enables it i.e. "we are fine where we are and only interested in doing things our way"...thats not the way the world works.
As much as I blame Kronke and the half hearted clowns he has hired, I do know a big part of our fanbase is responsible for this culture also.