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02-09-2012, 05:16 PM
gooners

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Originally Posted by Syn

And - for people who are still unsure about it - this is the reason so many people think he's a ****. The reasons he gave about 'ambition' were bullshit to the extent that we would have had an excellent chance of finishing above Man Utd if he had stayed (even for this one year). It's all about money. Man City and Chelsea are looking good (and of course I expect Man Utd to be up there) but the point is, adding a 30+ goal striker to our team also puts us in contention. That said, Arsenal - as a club - aren't blameless either and there is frustration at both parties. Anyway, it's all been discussed, it's all been done, and fuck it - lets just focus on keeping clean sheets and then we won't need so many goals to stay competitive.

errm... you are ignoring claims that he as looking to stay in the end but he was sold anyway! yet you are using similar unsubsantiated claims to justify you bashing him.

but whatever makes fans sleep...
02-09-2012, 05:17 PM
GP

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02-09-2012, 05:18 PM
McNamara That Ghost...

Ferguson confirmed RVP really wanted to go to Man Utd so I'm not sure where the idea of thinking he debated staying comes from. I mean, for all I know that might be the case but what Ferguson says has more weight than what is supposed in newspapers to drag out a saga that hadn't at that time been resolved.
02-09-2012, 05:18 PM
Syn

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Originally Posted by gooners

errm... you are ignoring claims that he as looking to stay in the end but he was sold anyway! yet you are using similar unsubsantiated claims to justify you bashing him.

but whatever makes fans sleep...

You are using unsubstantiated claims to say 'he was looking to stay in the end'. If that was true, he easily could have spun it so the club were the bad ones who forced him out. I'm just using good logic. But nice try.
02-09-2012, 05:18 PM
gooners

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Originally Posted by Master Splinter

This will be bumped up to first on MOTD 2.

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I wonder if they'll call them a one-man team at every opportunity.

No analysis on Arsenal, apart from the fact that it was the lack of Carroll's presence that led to our goals.

Also, Scholes is still by far the best English midfielder until Wilshere is reincarnated.

In fact, Scholes is probably the best English player in the last forty years or so.

no; becuse you can be sure utd will pull through when crunch time comes; i am sure you wont bet you nuts on arsenal to do the same as a team
02-09-2012, 05:19 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

This is why Wazza's injury was the worst thing that could've happened. RVC is now the main man and we know he thrives on that, the very fact he even tried a panenka at 2-1 down suggests he's ridiculously high on confidence.

Just :sick: all round.

No suggest on though probs the best striker in the league, suggest he's an arrogant cock.
02-09-2012, 05:20 PM
Marc Overmars

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

No suggest on though probs the best striker in the league, suggest he's an arrogant cock.

It's the arrogance that makes him brilliant though.

He has got one over us today and not like Spurs do every week.
02-09-2012, 05:21 PM
gooners

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Originally Posted by Syn

You are using unsubstantiated claims to say 'he was looking to stay in the end'. If that was true, he easily could have spun it so the club were the bad ones who forced him out. I'm just using good logic. But nice try.

Sorry, i dont see any logic in your assertion --- except the same bitter mantra repeated so many times. But then i am tired of having this debate again. Anyway, thats it for me.
02-09-2012, 05:22 PM
gooners

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Ferguson confirmed RVP really wanted to go to Man Utd so I'm not sure where the idea of thinking he debated staying comes from. I mean, for all I know that might be the case but what Ferguson says has more weight than what is supposed in newspapers to drag out a saga that hadn't at that time been resolved.

i am sure he wanted to --- if he was being sold!
02-09-2012, 05:22 PM
Xhaka Can’t

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Originally Posted by gooners

no; becuse you can be sure utd will pull through when crunch time comes; i am sure you wont bet you nuts on arsenal to do the same as a team

I haven't got the stats to hand, but I recall us having a number of come from behind wins last season.
02-09-2012, 05:22 PM
Syn

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Originally Posted by gooners

Sorry, i dont see any logic in your assertion

I can't help that. There was nothing controversial in what I said. If you aren't capable of understanding simple logic that's your problem.
02-09-2012, 05:24 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by gooners

i am sure he wanted to --- if he was being sold!

Are you silly the guy said he was not going to sign a deal which suggest he wanted to leave, fergie said he only wanted to go to the mancs or you calling fergie a liar.
02-09-2012, 05:24 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Ferguson confirmed RVP really wanted to go to Man Utd so I'm not sure where the idea of thinking he debated staying comes from. I mean, for all I know that might be the case but what Ferguson says has more weight than what is supposed in newspapers to drag out a saga that hadn't at that time been resolved.

Pretty much, so now Fergie is a liar :haha:
02-09-2012, 05:26 PM
gooners

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Originally Posted by GB.

I haven't got the stats to hand, but I recall us having a number of come from behind wins last season.

so you will bet your nuts on the line? :flash:
02-09-2012, 05:26 PM
McNamara That Ghost...

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Originally Posted by gooners

i am sure he wanted to --- if he was being sold!

Well no, he didn't have to express a specific request to join Man Utd. He had obviously thought about leaving for a while, he wouldn't have released that statement in early July otherwise. Like he said in that statement, there were differences in that meeting - I highly doubt he was told he'd be sold at that meeting.
02-09-2012, 05:27 PM
Syn

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

It's the arrogance that makes him brilliant though.

He has got one over us today and not like Spurs do every week.

I don't understand that. We all know he's a brilliant footballer that'll win teams games. I don't think that has been questioned. Him proving that and single-handedly winning games only supports the view that Arsenal would've been much more competitive with him, which is ultimately what he is indirectly questioning.
02-09-2012, 05:27 PM
Xhaka Can’t

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Originally Posted by gooners

so you will bet your nuts on the line? :flash:

Given the amount of use they get these days, yes.
02-09-2012, 05:28 PM
gooners

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Well no, he didn't have to express a specific request to join Man Utd. He had obviously thought about leaving for a while, he wouldn't have released that statement in early July otherwise.

okay; not gonna have this debate again :tiphat:
02-09-2012, 05:29 PM
Niall_Quinn

Whatever, van Purse is a ****. One of the most disloyal ****s in the history of football. Right up there with Fuck You Frank Stapleton and the fagboy Sol Campbell.
02-09-2012, 05:29 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

It's the arrogance that makes him brilliant though.

He has got one over us today and not like Spurs do every week.

Yeah i agree but he could have taken a normal pen rather then trying to make the saints look small.
02-09-2012, 05:30 PM
gooners

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Originally Posted by Syn

I don't understand that. We all know he's a brilliant footballer that'll win teams games. I don't think that has been questioned. Him proving that and single-handedly winning games only supports the view that Arsenal would've been much more competitive with him, which is ultimately what he is indirectly questioning.

did not stop the vieiras,henrys,rooneys etc from demaning display of ambition from their clubs.
02-09-2012, 05:31 PM
Niall_Quinn

Arsenal highlights on. We are wearing purple clown costumes. Good goal by the German though.
02-09-2012, 05:31 PM
McNamara That Ghost...

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Originally Posted by gooners

okay; not gonna have this debate again :tiphat:

Well in fairness, I am not sure there is a debate to be had. Everything publically in this situation points to have a wish of joining Man Utd - sure we are complicit in that by eventually selling to him but you're kind of suggesting he was sold against his will and only decided he wants to join Man Utd after being told he'd be leaving Arsenal. Doesn't make any sense.
02-09-2012, 05:31 PM
Niall_Quinn

Jeez, that Giroud guy isn't exactly a finisher, is he?
02-09-2012, 05:31 PM
Marc Overmars

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Originally Posted by Syn

I don't understand that. We all know he's a brilliant footballer that'll win teams games. I don't think that has been questioned. Him proving that and single-handedly winning games only supports the view that Arsenal would've been much more competitive with him, which is ultimately what he is indirectly questioning.

I was just using the first accurate 'got one over us' GW meme.
02-09-2012, 05:36 PM
Syn

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

I was just using the first accurate 'got one over us' GW meme.

I was just telling you it wasn't accurate. Different, sure.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Well in fairness, I am not sure there is a debate to be had. Everything publically in this situation points to have a wish of joining Man Utd - sure we are complicit in that by eventually selling to him but you're kind of suggesting he was sold against his will and only decided he wants to join Man Utd after being told he'd be leaving Arsenal. Doesn't make any sense.

That's the only way I can see it too.
02-09-2012, 05:39 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Well in fairness, I am not sure there is a debate to be had. Everything publically in this situation points to have a wish of joining Man Utd - sure we are complicit in that by eventually selling to him but you're kind of suggesting he was sold against his will and only decided he wants to join Man Utd after being told he'd be leaving Arsenal. Doesn't make any sense.

When was talking sense allowed on here again?
02-09-2012, 05:40 PM
Marc Overmars

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Originally Posted by Syn

I was just telling you it wasn't accurate. Different, sure.

I wasn't alluding to his reasons for leaving and all that, it was just tounge in cheek about us being on a high and then him bringing the mood down again. :lol:
02-09-2012, 05:44 PM
McNamara That Ghost...

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

When was talking sense allowed on here again?

An edict I silently implemented once we won a game.
02-09-2012, 05:45 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Syn

And - for people who are still unsure about it - this is the reason so many people think he's a ****. The reasons he gave about 'ambition' were bullshit to the extent that we would have had an excellent chance of finishing above Man Utd if he had stayed (even for this one year). It's all about money. Man City and Chelsea are looking good (and of course I expect Man Utd to be up there) but the point is, adding a 30+ goal striker to our team also puts us in contention. That said, Arsenal - as a club - aren't blameless either and there is frustration at both parties. Anyway, it's all been discussed, it's all been done, and fuck it - lets just focus on keeping clean sheets and then we won't need so many goals to stay competitive.

This, selling RVP is fine but not replacing him with a like for like striker is the most stupid decsion Arsene and co have ever made. Had we bought Llorente we'd be laughing tbh. Not really bothered about him going rvp, he has a right to want to leave fair play to him. Don't mean like some on here id still need to suck his ass.
02-09-2012, 05:46 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

An edict I silently implemented once we won a game.

:lol:
02-09-2012, 05:46 PM
Xhaka Can’t

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

An edict I silently implemented once we won a game.

That's not all you did silently.
02-09-2012, 05:47 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by GB.

That's not all you did silently.

what happens between you 2 should stay between you 2 :ninja:
02-09-2012, 05:50 PM
Syn

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

This, selling RVP is fine but not replacing him with a like for like striker is the most stupid decsion Arsene and co have ever made. Had we bought Llorente we'd be laughing tbh. Not really bothered about him going rvp, he has a right to want to leave fair play to him.

I don't think there is a 'like for like' with Van Persie. He might well be the best striker around. Certainly when you consider the fact that he is proven in the league, there is no substitute. And that is the point. Van Persie has already, indirectly, got Man Utd 6 points (or maybe 4). So our chances of finishing above Man Utd with Van Persie, Cazorla+Podolski (you can even take the assumption that we wouldn't have bought Giroud if he was supposedly the replacement) might've been pretty good.

As I say, the club really did sell out by handing him to Man Utd. Should've forced him to stay and a club that had their priorities more aligned with the fans would have made that choice. But it's all done now so :shrug:
02-09-2012, 05:50 PM
gooners

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Well in fairness, I am not sure there is a debate to be had. Everything publically in this situation points to have a wish of joining Man Utd - sure we are complicit in that by eventually selling to him but you're kind of suggesting he was sold against his will and only decided he wants to join Man Utd after being told he'd be leaving Arsenal. Doesn't make any sense.

All this was dicussed in the 'goodbye rvp' thread :good:
02-09-2012, 05:51 PM
McNamara That Ghost...

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Originally Posted by GB.

That's not all you did silently.

:ninja:
02-09-2012, 05:54 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Syn

I don't think there is a 'like for like' with Van Persie. He might well be the best striker around. Certainly when you consider the fact that he is proven in the league, there is no substitute. And that is the point. Van Persie has already, indirectly, got Man Utd 6 points (or maybe 4). So our chances of finishing above Man Utd with Van Persie, Cazorla+Podolski (you can even take the assumption that we wouldn't have bought Giroud if he was supposedly the replacement) might've been pretty good.

As I say, the club really did sell out by handing him to Man Utd. Should've forced him to stay and a club that had their priorities more aligned with the fans would have made that choice. But it's all done now so :shrug:

If we had the balls to spend money on Falcao as his replacement just say i think he score us as many goals.

I agree it was stupid to give then RVP and maybe we should have forced a deal even if he walked free next summer, but i think that would have hurt more especially if he went to the mancs or city anyways/
02-09-2012, 05:56 PM
McNamara That Ghost...

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Originally Posted by Syn

I don't think there is a 'like for like' with Van Persie. He might well be the best striker around. Certainly when you consider the fact that he is proven in the league, there is no substitute. And that is the point. Van Persie has already, indirectly, got Man Utd 6 points (or maybe 4). So our chances of finishing above Man Utd with Van Persie, Cazorla+Podolski (you can even take the assumption that we wouldn't have bought Giroud if he was supposedly the replacement) might've been pretty good.

As I say, the club really did sell out by handing him to Man Utd. Should've forced him to stay and a club that had their priorities more aligned with the fans would have made that choice. But it's all done now so :shrug:

We're just going to have to learn scoring more team goals without him. More FIFA cut-backs hopefully. Then again, like you suggested, if we cut out the amount of goals we conceded by 20 we'll probably get more points by roughly ten anyway. We'll get our usual 20 wins at least.
02-09-2012, 05:57 PM
gooners

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I agree it was stupid to give then RVP and maybe we should have forced a deal even if he walked free next summer, but i think that would have hurt more especially if he went to the mancs or city anyways/

then he could rightly be called a traitor!

we on the on other hand, collected and pocketed 24mil for a 29yr old and have the cheek to point the finger.
02-09-2012, 06:00 PM
Master Splinter

Why do people say they're not having a particular discussion, yet continue to have that particular discussion until the end of time?

It is little bit perverse.

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