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Theo :bow:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
A bit random as I don't see what that has to do with my post but I'll join in
Theo :bow:
Abou Diaby’s list of injuries at Arsenal (All stemming from that foul really)
Knee ligament
Calf/Shin Injury
2013 March 28th
2013 February 23rd
Illness 2013 January 22nd
Thigh Muscle Strain 2012 September 29th
Muscle Injury 2012 September 7th
Calf Muscle Strain 2012 April 28th
Illness 2012 April 23rd
Hamstring Injury 2012 March 29th
Hamstring Injury 2012 March 3rd
Hamstring Injury 2011 November 26th
Ankle/Foot Injury 2011 July 22nd
Calf Muscle Strain 2011 January 2nd
Calf Muscle Strain 2010 December 30th
Ankle/Foot Injury 2010 October 19th
Ankle/Foot Injury 2010 October 4th
Ankle/Foot Injury 2010 September 13th
Calf Muscle Strain 2010 August 11th
Calf Muscle Strain 2010 March 27th
MCL Knee Ligament Injury 2010 February 17th
Calf Muscle Strain 2010 January 20th
Calf Muscle Strain 2009 November 7th
Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 October 10th
Groin Strain 2009 August 12th
Knee Injury 2009 July 27th
Thigh Muscle Strain 2009 April 1st
Calf Muscle Strain 2009 February 24th
Thigh Muscle Strain 2009 January 31st
Abdominal Strain 2008 November 22nd
Thigh Muscle Strain 2008 August 3rd
Thigh Muscle Strain 2008 April 25th
Calf Muscle Strain 2008 March 7th
Calf Muscle Strain 2008 February 8th
Back Injury 2007 November 22nd
Sprained Ankle 2007 August 14th
Concussion 2007 April 20th
Sprained Ankle 2007 February 25th
Knee Injury 2007 February 2nd
Ankle/Foot Injury 2006 May 1st
He'll always be a legend.
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You can't become a professional footballer at the top level if you're only money-driven. He'll be distraught. But, for the rest of us, there are bigger tragedies to feel bad about. Lets be honest, there's a fair chance he'll stumble his way to a few more arsenal appearances yet.
I must tell you, the data has shown only Diaby can fill this hole in our team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
It's pretty simple. Nobody plans to get injured or sick, it's just unfortunate. But in any normal job if an employee is out on sick leave 98% of the time they get the sack. Don't they? They don't get sacked because the employer resents them being sick or has no sympathy, they get sacked because he needs somebody that will turn up and do the job he gets paid to do. Wenger has persisted season after season with a player who can't turn up to do the job he is paid to do. It's negligence on Wenger's part to retain this guy. Footballers aren't even close to the real world, are they? It's ridiculous. Marc used the word "absurd" and that's the most accurate word for this situation. And it's the most accurate word to describe Wenger's role in this. And the board's role in this. And this club. And football in general. And Letters.
Baptista footloose :dancingman: :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Wenger also didn't replace song this season because he took a gamble on diaby remaining fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Poor, poor, poor, management.
Time he was let go.
Some would agre, some would say a bit harsh on the manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Yes, we should be doing more to replicate the corporate world, fantastic idea, NQ!Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
No, you are right of course. We should keep Diaby for at least another 7 seasons. In fact let's declare charitable status and sign Owen Hargreaves and Michael Owen. Let's gather unto us all God's children and protect them from the cruel world (at the fans' expense).Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
well tbf he did try to get vertonghen in as song's replacement. however once he said no, it is quite staggering there were no other options to go for so diaby was seen as the man to do the job - and he's not even that great a tackler. abou was (RIP) much better at going forward than doing the dirty work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Isn't ironic! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I very slippery slope that stance. Maybe Villa and Barca should take some notes.
I'm not sure why he would have gone for Vertonghen only when the player made it quite clear that he didn't fancy playing a DM's role - something which he has held true to as he currently continues to ply his trade as a CB at the scum.
Plus, there was always M'Villa available and we were heavily linked to him more than once. Not that he's the best DM out there, but we never really buy the best, do we? Besides, he's better than anything we've had fulfilling that role post Gilberto, imo.
In truth we have no idea who'd be any good in this team. It's lucky dip whoever we bring in (if anyone at all) because at least half the players they would be expected to play with are sub-standard. That's just the start of the problems. There's the tactics, or lack of them. The training, or lack of it. The finely honed losing mentality. The lack of ambition. The very real possibility a new player coming in would signal the sale of an existing player thus setting everything back to a zero net gain.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoringBoringArsenal
What slope? What stance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
My argument is we should be rid of a player who has been injured for his career with us and therefore serves no purpose. This is a football team, not a hospital.
Your argument is not focused on Diaby, it's focused on me. I am apparently so corporate minded as to be worthy of study by Barcelona. But what sort of argument is that, in relation to the topic I mean?
If Diaby shouldn't be got rid of then why not? What's the case for him remaining? I heard you say he's an Arsenal player. But beyond that, why should the club keep paying him to be injured?
I do feel sorry for him to an extent but he needs to go.
The trouble is no one is going to touch him and now he's just another player we're stuck with until the contract runs out.
Massively sad for diaby, but should at least force wenger to do what he should have done over the summer - buy big to shore up the midfield and give us some real bite and physical presence.
Fellaini would be the dream, but can't see it happening.
That would be an irresponsible waste of money because Diaby will be back in November.
I agree with Arseblog on this one. Has a good piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
http://arseblog.com/Quote:
If there’s frustration it ought to be directed elsewhere, not at him. He didn’t injure himself, he hasn’t tried to sponge off the club, he didn’t give himself new contracts (and it was 2010 when he signed his last deal – not so recent that hoping he could become fitter was unreasonable). It’s fairly clear that Arsene Wenger was desperate for Diaby to make it, he gave him every chance to do that when other players have been moved on when injury blighted their career. It’d be fair to say that the impact of Smith on Diaby has been far greater than that of Taylor on Eduardo, but the Crozilian was, essentially, frozen out and then sold.
There are, in this world, some right spawny people who, no matter how badly the shit comes down, always manage to escape smelling of roses. They can be racist, adulterous, spiteful, horrible, despicable, violent, mean and stomach churningly awful, yet always land on their feet. Diaby is the opposite. He might, from time to time, land on his feet but he’ll turn his ankle and step on a rusty nail at the same time. C’est la vie.Quote:
The solution is not obvious though. You can’t ‘get rid’ of a player who is going be out of the game for 9 months. Nobody will buy him. Suggestions of paying him off and sending him on his way don’t seem feasible to me either. When has it ever happened? And while I don’t see any real future for him as an Arsenal player, what would it say about any football club that would treat a player that way?
What does it say about the fans that can't even sympathise with their own players at this moment? It's a slippery slope. He can't play for the club so we should be ruthless with him? The Barca and Villa reference is in regards to Abidal and Petrov. What they're facing is far more serious than football and this situation we're discussing with Diaby. Their illnesses are not even football related and that's why I'm saying you're arguments are on a slippery slope, especially when you mention how the corporate world would handle things.
I think this is Diaby's decision in the end. He'll probably call time on his career if he thinks he can't go through this again but I wouldn't applaud the club for cutting his contract to save a few pounds. It's a bit rich to preach about the corporate nature of football and the way we're going as a club and then to talk like this and ape the corporate cut throat culture. What happened to being a football club? Maybe I'm being sentimental but I think it would be wrong to cut him loose during his injury.
Another good point made by Arseblog.Quote:
For me it comes down to this – you can want Arsenal to improve the squad and be more competitive and still have sympathy for a footballer whose career was needlessly ruined in an instant by a moron. The two things are not mutually exclusive. I hope that one day he manages to stay fit for a few seasons and enjoy his football. I don’t believe it will ever be with Arsenal, and I imagine this is a line crossed that will make the manager think that too, but who would begrudge him a few good seasons somewhere else?
wait for him to heal, then tell he has no future at the club any longer and if he wants to carry on playing football then he needs to find somewhere else to do it.
You want Arsenal to be a football club? A professional sports outfit? Then how can they retain players that can't play football because they are injured the whole time? Why do you keep bringing emotional arguments and accusations into this? I never mentioned the word "corporate", you did. I referred to any other job in the real world. Nobody is saying kick him out on the street penniless, in truth he probably can't be got rid of at all now. So you will have your way, we'll be stuck with a guy who can't play but is taking up a spot in the squad and costing money that could be spent elsewhere. That's highly unfortunate. What an ideal excuse for them to avoid signing a proper replacement. Not that we'll need one because Diaby will be back, just like a new signing - but this time, on the 30th attempt, it will all be different and not only will he remain injury free but he'll finally come of age as the magnificent player he has shown himself to be a million miles from on the few occasions he's managed to get on the pitch.
Insane. Could only happen in football. I don't blame Diaby one little bit. I primarily blame Wenger and then the board for putting up with Wenger's blindness in regard to this player.
You've adopted a very cold and hard 'business' like approach to this subject and I bring emotion and sentiment into the argument because it's the argument we often use when saying the club has lost its way.
I don't think there is a lack of sympathy for Diaby, after all, I feel for the crock as much as any 'sympathiser', so the clever attempt to deflect from the real crux which has caused/triggered the fans' frustration, after their patience to have worn thin, can now cease, thanks.
We've all long known that this crock would never come good as he never manages three consecutive games without being injured. By we, I mean everyone barring the manager who has, season after season, consistently spouted rubbish like "we have Diaby returning from injury who'll be like a new signing", all the while refusing to suitably find a player to fill the role in which he intends to play Diaby. Now, we're on a crucial last lap a la virtual 4th place trophy / finishing above the scum (only bit a pride some Gooners have left), only to be apprised that this crock, who the manager has happened to have placed so much blind faith in, is once again out - this time for a staggering 9 months. Add to that, he wasn't even injured in a competitive game.
Fuck, everything that Wenger is control of is just cyclic. This man never seems to learn from obvious patterns and this has ballooned a toxic atmosphere around the club. Fans have little to no fuse left these days. Hence, they don't require much to get ticked off and certainly won't shy away from airing their dissatifaction to no less a situation than Diaby's.
No one blames Diaby at all and I think we all feel a degree of sympathy to him, footballers might be a lot of things but it does hurt them not to play.
The blame is with the **** from Sunderland who snapped him and on Wenget for putting a huge amount of faith in a player who we all know will be lucky to play 20 games a season.
I wish Diaby well, but it really is time to call it a day. That is not being cold, it is being realistic. Had this been the 60s or 70s, I'd be happy to go to a Testimonial for his so that he could at least enjoy one big payday.
He gets 52 big paydays a week now - in common with just about everybody else in the EPL, so while I am sure this is a big personal setback for him, at least he will be alright in a big way from a financial perspective. Once the Club's contractual obligations are out of the way, I hope he finds success somewhere else.
But I wouldn't bet on it.
I feel sorry for him for any regrets on what might have been since that horror tackle by that POS Dan Smith, but really, the Club has stood by him and persevered as long as possible.
You are criticising me for dwelling on the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
For those saying we've been idiots standing by him, it's easy to say that with 20:20 hindsight but RvP had persistent injury problems, maybe not to the same degree as Diaby but enough to warrant debate on here as to whether we should cut our losses (I thought we should). Then he goes and has that season he had last year and would have repeated it...well, he has repeated it, just not for us. I'm not saying Diaby would have ever had the same impact but at times he's looked like a player who could become an important part of our midfield. When you've persisted with a player for so long and invested all the time and money in rehabilitating them, not to mention paying them all the time they've been on the treatment table, I'd suggest it's not a simple call where to call it quits. That time has come with Diaby now but it's impossible to know in advance.
I disagree. Its not cold and hard business like. It is logical! If we had abandoned Diaby right after his horror injury, that would be a cold and hard business like approach. Right after his next injury, may be... the next one, again may be... but after 30 odd injuries in his last 7 years where he has played an average of 17 games/season in which quite a few of them he has come off injured, then its time to cut losses. Do I feel bad for him? Hell yes.. I feel sorry for the lad because he seems genuine and wants to play football. But from an Arsenal point of view, there is absolutely no reason to keep him, pay him 60K/week and take up an important squad place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Its time to move on from crocks like him and Rosicky. Both have been liabilities to AFC for a long time. Let's clear the deadwood..
It's a bit of a double standard and the player/fan loyalty talk is an illusion. I've heard so many berate RVP for leaving and other players for taking the money but if they had the sort if injury problems Diaby is going through, fans would be calling for them to be given the boot. There is no real loyalty. If we're going to talk logical then we can't really begrudge players wanting to leave for more reward at another club.
I think you are being argumentative for the sake of it. The only one displaying off the wall opinions here is you.
It's impossible to know but it depends on how much hope you have. Ruthless managers would've moved Diaby, Clichy, Rosicky, Van Persie, Gibbs and possibly others along a long time ago. Wenger has only really had Van Persie who has repaid the faith shown and even then he was happy to move on last season. The uber trust Wenger displays isn't justified on past evidence, and furthermore you'd be silly not to realise that he takes a gamble on a crock's fitness for other reasons. If he can operate on lower expenditure, he stands to gain a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
@GB - How so? I'm just drawing comparisons to certain arguments made on here on a daily basis. Maybe it's devils advocate but so be it.
Van Persie didn't leave. We sold him. I don't think normal people can be too angry with him but we can roll our eyes when Diaby picks up this injury. This was not unexpected. It was a ridiculous gamble but as long as we stumble across the line for CL revenue, it's all paid off for Arsene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Spot on, how many crocks has he stuck by...sorry but him harping on about crocks being like new signings is a joke, with the exception of RVP they never stay fit, he did but then he left after one season, we did a sterling job with that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoringBoringArsenal
He just never learns, he's been wasting our resources for years, even ignoring the crocks there's all the players we just can't get rid of, Squillaci, Denilson, Bendtner, Chamakh etc.
Diaby has had a fair chance but he can't stay fit, it's proven, feel sad for him but at the end of the day we need players who can play and make a contribution to our season. I was shocked we gave Gibbs a contract earlier in the season as well to be honest, he'll never stay fit, he plays a couple games and gets injured he'll be another crock who never plays, likewise Rosicky...the only time he seems to stay fit is when he stays on the bench, again he's got talent but he's 30 odd now and since we signed him has never managed to stay fit and that was what 6+ years ago?
We seem to have a problem spending money on new players but no problem wasting money on players who never play more than a handful of games for us every season.
Haha I remember he injured himself in that aswell !Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Fair enough - but the argument seems to be akin to continuing to hire a surgeon in the same role after he has lost his sight as the result of an acid attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I think most feel bad for Diaby and the aftermath he faced as a result of that POS all those years back. Had footballers not been so richly rewarded, I'd expect and attend a testimonial for him, but he is set for life. While that can't cushion the blow insofar as regret he'll always have for not fulfilling his potential, he is luckier than most and has been given every opportunity by the Club. It is not as if they left him lying on the pitch after that tackle - and neither did the fans. But surely now - it is clear, he can't fufill his role and everyone needs to move on.