:lol: Leaders, where?Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
If it's just goals there's other players out there who would cost a lot less and allow us to strengthen other areas as well. Yeah and world class troublemaker as well.
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:lol: Leaders, where?Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
If it's just goals there's other players out there who would cost a lot less and allow us to strengthen other areas as well. Yeah and world class troublemaker as well.
If he signs a couple of others with Suarez then great, I've never seen a unicorn so I'm excited :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
But yeah we could spend that money on 3-4 quality players which would strengthen the overall team much more than one signing alone.
Cavani and Falcoa had much better scoring records tbf and Neymar is just a bit special isn't he, he's got it all moreover the marketing potential of that guy is huge he's going to be one of the world's very best you can see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
I don't think Suarez has that influence personally, he'll score goals but he won't suddenly turn this team into winners like those guys could.
The players we've bought aren't in the class of players I'm suggesting that's the difference, we've bought players who were unknown quantities and when they aren't that great it's no real surprise, we can however buy top quality players who don't cost the earth. We won't get anything more than 3rd/4th with Suarez, we certainly won't win anything, we'd need 3-4 players to do that.
I wouldn't underestimate what having a top quality forward could do for us, now that we appear to have a modicum of defensive stability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
Not saying there would be a dramatic improvement but I know I'd be a little bit more optimistic.
Yeah they do , though they've all been at better performing clubs but not outscored massively, in a single season. :ninja:Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
Gahhh you're still not understanding what I am saying. I'm not saying he would instantly turn us in to winners, I am saying his abilities might have a greater impact on the team than worrying about that impact not being there because he might potentially (well, will) get another suspension.
Cazorla is surely just as good as Gourcuff and Shaqiri (better in my opinion). I don't see them as being anything other than very good, which we already have. If I was to sign one midfielder of that type, it would be Gundogan, even though it'd feel like robbing my nan buying him from Dortmund.
Don't you remember what you used to say about buying 'world class players'? That it would give everyone a lift, including the players. I've said before, the most important part of signing someone like Suarez is the mention it sends out, most importantly to other players of that level - that we're a realistic option and are prepared to try and get the best (even if you don't rate Suarez that highly, the perception to those that matter is what er matters).
We've had it before, as for the defence I still think we might find it was a flash in the pan and we'll return to the norm this season, we quite often have these end of season runs when there's nothing left to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
He'll improve us without question, we'll still be miles away from the big boys though IMO.
I can counter that by saying being the focal point at a club not doing so well can lead to more goals as in better teams they're are usually better players who want some of the glory as well :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Yeah I'm not convinced to be honest, you usually get more of an impact from players who lead on the pitch than players like him.
Cazorla is very good yes but it doesn't mean we can't have others as well, we don't have many very good players to be honest, just a few in my eyes.
Buying top class players does lift the club yes but one player in a whole summer after years of neglect when you're not a great team, really? It does change perception somewhat but you have to back it up with other signings as well and can't have a scenario where your top players want out (which invariably he will). I think Suarez is very good, I don't however think he's one of the very best, he's had one good season in England after all....I'm amazed that there's so much hype about him based on that, I don't know why I should be though as we had exactly the same with Adebayor.
I would have never picked Suarez out as a player for us to sign before the summer to be honest, like I said I do think he's very good but he's somewhat overrated due to the hype, people talk about him like he's another Messi or Ronaldo, 40-50 million is a lot of money for one player, particularly one with one good season proving himself in England and such a bad disciplinary record.
Uruguay have 3 top strikers and look how good they are at the moment, you need more than strikers in a team.
I agree we need quality in various positions but I don't think you should get so bogged down with this. We support a club that spends fuck all and never goes after these type of signings, so it would be a game changer for sure if we pulled this off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
It would be a shame if Suarez is the only signing this summer but at least we'd know club is prepared to change it's transfer policy.
It'd be a bit of a cop-out to say, 'ah because he is the focal point', when he often pulls out wide and anyway, you could just as easily say the same thing for the others players mentioned, only with better players surrounding them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
Suarez has only had two full seasons in the league (he was brilliant for Liverpool the few games he played in the other season). Bit harsh to say he has only had one good one, 50% success rate. Just like, your favourite, Aguero. :whistle:
Come on Zim, you've mentioned what it was like when we got Bergkamp in 1995, it wasn't like we were riding high with talent then, nor with who else came in alongside Bergkamp. We're a far better side now than we were then, we're in a far better financial shape now compared to then and look what followed. When it all started for Citeh with Mansour, they only made one signficant purchase, as they didn't have time to do anything more than that - Robinho! Look what followed there.
If we assume that we will settle with Liverpool for the £47 million Caught Offside say (and that of course is a huge leap of faith given they're a pub team website) then I would suggest we still have a more than decent amount left, especially with all the squad departures we have had this sumemer. That's kinda why I want us to hurry this along but I don't want us to miss this opportunity, even if we're buying a complete nutter.
From the Mirror:
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Taylor later told the Press Association the contract does not oblige Liverpool to sell Suarez:
"If you are going to have a supposed buy-out clause it should be that, but it is different as it says if there is no qualification for the Champions League and if there is a minimum offer of £40million then the parties will get around the table to discuss things but it does not say the club has to sell.
"It quite clearly states £40million is a minimum offer for discussions, but it becomes really difficult with such clauses.
"There is a 'good faith' clause in relation to serious discussions but I can't say it is cast-iron buy-out clause.
"Luis is one of our members and we want to be supportive, however, he may well have thought such an offer would trigger a move.
"The interpretation is not that simple by any means and there is no guarantee of getting a (successful) result if it is referred to the Premier League.