Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Depends what they were banned for

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Touching Letters in an inappropriate way.

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Originally Posted by GP

From my point of view the Jedi are evil.

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That's a stark opinion that doesn't take any of the subtleties into account.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Touching Letters in an inappropriate way.

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Didn’t know Kevin Spacey used to post here

Did he mistake him by his height for a minor?

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

Didn’t know Kevin Spacey used to post here

Did he mistake him by his height for a minor?

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Letters is like a red T-shirt to a bull.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Assuming you watched any of the recent AGM coverage or read some of the fallout, what would you define as an "extreme" view? You accept it's a disgrace Wenger got yet another contract. That makes perfect sense. In football, if you perform you keep your job, if you fail you get replaced. Except at this club where an "extreme" owner (ask the fans of any of the teams this cocksucker has hijacked) retains a failing manager for his own benefit and at the expense of the club. That would be fine if the owner was funding this shit show out of his own pocket. But he's still selling tickets and getting others to fund his profit trip. And you can advise every fan to stop paying, but you're missing the nature of what it means to be a fan, for many fans at least. This isn't a choice between Starbucks and Costa. This is a captive fanbase and the choice being presented is love it or leave it. Why should the fans leave just because some cunt has used his wife's money to hijack the club? I certainly wouldn't (and don't) give the cunt a penny. But what about the fans who go to Arsenal as part of their lifestyle routine and have been doing so for years? Should they become Man Utd fans because they'd get a better deal? Or just accept that things have changed and football for them is now to be dictated by the likes of Kroenke? Or are they allowed to try to hang on to their passion and stick two fingers up at the cunt who is trying to ruin what they hold valuable?

Who is the extremist here? Who genuinely possesses the extreme views?

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I'd say that things like "Another pathetic result" from Zim after a win is pretty extreme.
Pathetic performance, maybe, but result? Silly.
I think it's extreme to say that we have an "awful manager" and an "average squad". Those cannot both be simultaneously true given the league positions and FA Cup wins in the last 4 years.
I think you've said he's the "worst manager in football" which seems extreme to me and I think someone might have said he's the worst manager we've ever had. I might have made that last one up but I think I saw it.
To me those are all extreme views which I would argue against.
But, and let me say this slowly, doing so does not mean I am "sucking Wenger's cock" (as tasty as it admittedly is).
It doesn't mean I'm secretly Wenger In as you and Zim seem to believe.
And it doesn't mean I think Wenger is the "bees knees" (recent quote from you).
And, for balance, I think Ty is pretty extreme in the other direction although we don't have any posters like that on here. I am often accused of being like that but I think in your more serious moments must realise I'm not.

I recently argued against Zim when he said that it doesn't matter how Wenger does. It does. He would be replaced if he failed, but he hasn't. Unfortunately it is not you or I who defined what failure is, it's the board and it's clear what their priorities are. I know what it's like to be a fan, I was a season ticket for over 20 years. And you're right, you can't just go to another shop. But you can stop shopping, watches the games on telly if you want - or, better, internet streams if you still can - but stop buying tickets, stop buying the shirts. You don't have to stop supporting the club. If you miss the atmosphere then go watch the games in a pub with the same mates you used to go to games with. You can protest outside the ground but what do they care about that? You can protest inside but to do they they've got your money so will they care then? If we agree they only care about money then that is the only thing we, the fanbase, can do to affect change. We have the collective power. Trouble is there are too many tourists anyway to make up the numbers so I don't think it's realistic but I don't know what else can be done to affect change.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Their entitled to their opinion, it's more this treating Wenger like some sort of god that's a bad thing, the we love Wenger stuff and all that.

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This is the straw man. Literally no-one does that on here. You may accuse me of doing so because I don't agree with your more extreme views about him but if you look at what I'm actually writing you'll find I'm not. Nor is anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I recently argued against Zim when he said that it doesn't matter how Wenger does. It does. He would be replaced if he failed, but he hasn't.

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Wrong.

He failed last season. His objective has always been top 4. He failed and still got a new contract.

I make zimm right.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I'd say that things like "Another pathetic result" from Zim after a win is pretty extreme.
Pathetic performance, maybe, but result? Silly.
I think it's extreme to say that we have an "awful manager" and an "average squad". Those cannot both be simultaneously true given the league positions and FA Cup wins in the last 4 years.
I think you've said he's the "worst manager in football" which seems extreme to me and I think someone might have said he's the worst manager we've ever had. I might have made that last one up but I think I saw it.
To me those are all extreme views which I would argue against.
But, and let me say this slowly, doing so does not mean I am "sucking Wenger's cock" (as tasty as it admittedly is).
It doesn't mean I'm secretly Wenger In as you and Zim seem to believe.
And it doesn't mean I think Wenger is the "bees knees" (recent quote from you).
And, for balance, I think Ty is pretty extreme in the other direction although we don't have any posters like that on here. I am often accused of being like that but I think in your more serious moments must realise I'm not.

I recently argued against Zim when he said that it doesn't matter how Wenger does. It does. He would be replaced if he failed, but he hasn't. Unfortunately it is not you or I who defined what failure is, it's the board and it's clear what their priorities are. I know what it's like to be a fan, I was a season ticket for over 20 years. And you're right, you can't just go to another shop. But you can stop shopping, watches the games on telly if you want - or, better, internet streams if you still can - but stop buying tickets, stop buying the shirts. You don't have to stop supporting the club. If you miss the atmosphere then go watch the games in a pub with the same mates you used to go to games with. You can protest outside the ground but what do they care about that? You can protest inside but to do they they've got your money so will they care then? If we agree they only care about money then that is the only thing we, the fanbase, can do to affect change. We have the collective power. Trouble is there are too many tourists anyway to make up the numbers so I don't think it's realistic but I don't know what else can be done to affect change.

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I see very little debate being initiated by you regarding the problems at the club. I do see you jump in on an almost routine basis whenever you feel like an "extreme" point has been made. Well, I was discussing a pretty fucking extreme point with other posters, in this thread I think, relating to Ivan the Lizard claiming we've over-performed over the last few seasons in comparison to the top clubs. What utter nonsense and frivolous wordplay. Surely extreme if you compare it to an innocuous comment such as , "pathetic result", surely? I really wonder why the latter seems to bother you more than the former, or at least why you choose to direct fire at a frustrated fan rather than the source of the frustration. You can state you want Wenger gone and you can agree the club is being run with the wrong motives, fairly easy things to agree with as they are obvious. But it doesn't tally with your behavioural pattern of diving in in defence of the "extreme" viewpoints targeted at Wenger. Except maybe in one context. Could it be Wenger himself, aside from him being the Arsenal manager, that you are seeking to defend? Perhaps you have some deep respect for the guy and you find it offensive when he's criticised in certain ways? Fine. But then comes the manner of your defence. You tend to belittle the people you argue against. Which is why I do the same thing to you, btw, but don't do it to other posters. One liners with a sarcastic smiley, the rolling eyes, the head slap, the sheer effort taken to dig out stuff from the past so you can paint people as conflicted, almost as if it is a crime to reconsider or have a change of mind. And the other stuff I already mentioned. You want other people to be reasonable but often you are very unreasonable and provocative and, some might say, extreme yourself. And so am I, but as an example, if I'm extreme it doesn't give you a pass to be the same if you then go around calling for others to be reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Vieira

Wrong.

He failed last season. His objective has always been top 4. He failed and still got a new contract.

I make zimm right.

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Well. Clearly that isn't the objective the board set him then. The money kept rolling in as he always has, he kept his job.