Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

More importantly though unless you’re a snowflake little girl, it shouldn’t even matter what Letters said

And I think considering he’s given you a platform to air your views, a little mockery even if you think the mockery itself doesn’t make sense shouldn’t really be harmful.

Letters to my knowledge used to be Wenger in up to 2016, and then thought fuck it this isn’t working. He’s come late to the party.....,but it seems bizarre to me that you’re accusing him of clamping down on what your posting and then constantly questioning him for expressing his own views.

Even if I think my opinions could only be disagreed with by an absolute imbecile, I don’t resent people for disagreeing or even being disdainful.

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You said "your" :haha:

Herbets still the spokesperson for apologists and pops up playing devils advocate to appease the Wenger in lot I see

Still secretly a Wenger fan :console:

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Originally Posted by Vieira

Herbets still the spokesperson for apologists and pops up playing devils advocate to appease the Wenger in lot I see

Still secretly a Wenger fan :console:

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Oh dear....whinge like a child and then make childish arguments

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

You said "your" :haha:

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I had to re-read all of that to find it you filthy pedant

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Originally Posted by Özim

Let me explain that comment, I felt it was pathetic because yet again it was another scraped win, a scraped win in a long line of them, most of the time now we win but in reality the game could have gone either way, unconvincing, Swansea had their chance to go 2-0 and could have got a 2-2 but they didn't, we scraped to a win like we often do, rather than winning by 3 or 4 goals (which rarely seems to happen).

As for Wenger, he's not delivering anything, maybe it's the way he talks or maybe it's the fact Kroenke doesn't care about football and only about profits, or maybe it's the fact the stadium is largely full (despite the sky high prices and poor entertainment), the latter is due more to fan loyalty and tourists who think it's fashionable to come to the Emirates rathe than Wenger.

What's clear is he's not delivering in any true sense, the owner might be happy, fact is though he would be under almsot any manager because the money will keep rolling in at Arsenal, it's the nature of the club, full houses are a gimme, it would be hard not to deliver that.

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We've got away with a few recently, I don't think in general that's been true this season. After a shaky start we won 5 out of 6 games by more than one clear goal, the 6th was Chelsea where by all accounts we played well.
Since then we lost to Watford and scraped a couple (by which I mean we won by a single goal) in between which was the Everton game where we were good, against a poor side, admittedly.
So I don't think there has really been a long line of scraped wins as you claim.

Wenger is delivering what the board demand, which is money rolling in. Your last paragraph is what LDG was arguing, keep Wenger until the board piss off because the money would keep rolling in even if we're in mid-table, if Wenger leaves then who knows who they will replace him with and Wenger will at least keep us in and around the top 4. I don't particularly agree, I would just welcome a change now, it may reignite my interest somewhat, but it's an interesting point. I don't know if full houses are a gimme. Already it's noticeably easier to get tickets for games - I'll admit here I don't try but there are clear empty seats in the stadium. If we dropped into mid-table or worse would people keep paying these ridiculous prices? As I said, in the 92/93 season our average home attendance was around 24,000. And that was the season we won both domestic trophies, but the league form was so abysmal and the football so awful people stopped going.

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Originally Posted by Letters

We've got away with a few recently, I don't think in general that's been true this season. After a shaky start we won 5 out of 6 games by more than one clear goal, the 6th was Chelsea where by all accounts we played well.
Since then we lost to Watford and scraped a couple (by which I mean we won by a single goal) in between which was the Everton game where we were good, against a poor side, admittedly.
So I don't think there has really been a long line of scraped wins as you claim.

Wenger is delivering what the board demand, which is money rolling in. Your last paragraph is what LDG was arguing, keep Wenger until the board piss off because the money would keep rolling in even if we're in mid-table, if Wenger leaves then who knows who they will replace him with and Wenger will at least keep us in and around the top 4. I don't particularly agree, I would just welcome a change now, it may reignite my interest somewhat, but it's an interesting point. I don't know if full houses are a gimme. Already it's noticeably easier to get tickets for games - I'll admit here I don't try but there are clear empty seats in the stadium. If we dropped into mid-table or worse would people keep paying these ridiculous prices? As I said, in the 92/93 season our average home attendance was around 24,000. And that was the season we won both domestic trophies, but the league form was so abysmal and the football so awful people stopped going.

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It's a general thing over the last few years, we've been very unconvincing even in unbeaten runs.

Any manager would keep the money rolling in IMO, we're not even in the CL and the money is still rolling in, even if we were in midtable (I don't believe we'd ever end up there even under a new manager anyway) we'd still have money rolling in, things are pretty bad at the moment considering everything going on, including the contempt towrds the fans from the owner and board and yet people still turn up in their hoards, so that tells you everything you need to know.

You forget that in 92/93 we prioritised the cups so didn't take the league seriously (playing weakened teams quite a few times) so it's no surprise attendances were down and results were poor, it worked as we won both cups though. It was a different time anyhow, nowadays attendances in the PL are almost alwya high, in those days Wimbledon use to get 6000 fans for their matches.

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Originally Posted by Özim

You forget that in 92/93 we prioritised the cups so didn't take the league seriously (playing weakened teams quite a few times) so it's no surprise attendances were down and results were poor, it worked as we won both cups though. It was a different time anyhow, nowadays attendances in the PL are almost alwya high, in those days Wimbledon use to get 6000 fans for their matches.

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I don't forget that. I had a season ticket :lol:
It was bloody awful.
You're right that time has moved on though and I suspect attendances would be much higher if we did end up in mid table. That was also LDG's argument. His point was do you trust the board to replace Wenger with anyone who would actually push us on?
His argument was board out then Wenger out, once we have a board who actually want us to succeed on the field not in the bank balance.

You suspect strongly the loyalty shown by the Kroenkes towards Wenger is laziness

His total control of every footballing aspect is indulged because fuck it why not

At the risk of reading too much into things, Wenger saying that his position will be reviewed at the end of the season suggests he will go before the two years (more likely of his own choosing) if things become seriously fucked up.

What the definition of seriously fucked up is, is anyone’s guess

After that?. It’s likely the decision of what happens going forward will be in the hands of Ivan Gazidis. Absolute lickspittle toad with completely no self respect. That said it’s possible he’s at least smart enough to acknowledge what he doesn’t know and allow a director of football to come in to help recruit to replace all the key functions done by Wenger and therefore the next guy would be a head coach.

Will it change what we spend? Possibly not. Will it change our transfer strategy? Almost certainly

Although Kroenke is a class A cunt, his best feature will be on display. His total lack of willingness to involve himself in the proceedings.

So I suspect strongly that a lot of delegation will be going on.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

At the risk of reading too much into things, Wenger saying that his position will be reviewed at the end of the season suggests he will go before the two years (more likely of his own choosing) if things become seriously fucked up.

What the definition of seriously fucked up is, is anyone’s guess.

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I wonder whether they'd have had the nerve to offer him a new contract had we not won the FA Cup last season.
Impossible to know what their targets for him really are.