They've got their priorities all screwed up. Why are they trying to replace Cavani with Higuain?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72
They should go for two average players instead, forget world class. Chamakh and Bendy are still available.
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They've got their priorities all screwed up. Why are they trying to replace Cavani with Higuain?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72
They should go for two average players instead, forget world class. Chamakh and Bendy are still available.
right you clearly havnt read my posts because as i said, in recent seasons with a world class striker we have only competed for the top fourQuote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
and wth you point in bold, surely you would prefer some billionaire run team to get the world class players becuase then it means more teams compete rather then just english and spainish ones?
yep, bloody bonkers if true!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Irrelevant because last season we competed for nothing and struggled to get 4th, I'd prefer to have a world class striker to two average strikers just as I said before. Your point about making sense signing two lesser players doesn't work for me, a top class striker is likely to win you more matches and will give you a better chance in big games that matter, that's not to say he'll win you stuff on his own, clearly that's not true you need to add other quality players in as well. Signing lesser players when your team isn't that good makes no sense at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
As for the 2nd part, I'll ignore that shall I.
a forward line of van persie, chamkh, theo and bentner got us top four by 1 point
same with giroud, podolski, theo. now tell me, after we sold van persie, if you added a world class player to one of those, which one is more likely to be able to compete over the whole season, cover for injuries/suspensions and still be competitive.
its not htat hard to understand
I think a team with a world class striker is more likely to compete than one with our current bunch of forwards, so it's an easy choice for me, I'd have spent the money on quality rather than quantity, with a view to further improving the team the following season.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
By signing lesser players, we're effectively lowering the quality of the team.
It's not really that black and white. I think the point being made is that with a top striker last season, we might have improved significantly because our defence was the strongest it had been for years.
The RVC team was handicapped by an appalling defence, while the team last year had a weak front line but a good defence.
So the end result is the same.
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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
except the team with the world class player, produced the exact same result as our current forwards did. top four, by a point on the last day. both out of all compeitions by february. how did the world class player make us compete again?
Different seasons, others teams performances were different, there's a lot of other factors so it's not an accurate comparison at all tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
I though teams were really poor last season on the whole, the quality of the league seemed much lower than before.
In short Wenger should have spent the money on a top class forward, to replace like for like.
I didn't/still don't have an issue with the Giroud and Pod signings. I think they are both good players which helped improve the squad, and both should hopefully go on to better things this season.
But if the money was available last summer, we should have signed an RVP replacement as well. Indications are that we are trying to rectify that this summer, but I do fear the usual BS at the end of the transfer window about not finding the right players with top top quality etc. If we don't sign an upgrade on Giroud this summer, then there can be no more excuses. Even the die hards will turn on the club IMO.
Anyways, cheeky bid for Mata now that he knows Chelski don't want him?
Our search for a striker has ended today. If it even begun that is.
Giroud has just scored a hat trick v pubteanam.
Pleased he scored a hat trick of course but Wenger will use this as a reason not to strengthen.
Roll on next summer
Didn't he score 2 against the last pub team as well?
Yeah Wenger will probably point to how many goals he's scored etc and we'll have to go through another season of him bottling the key chances when we need a goal.
defiantly....not.....wumming
Wenger won't literally come out and say "we aren't buying a striker cos Giroud scored against pub teams"
It'll be more likely to be something like "we have tried to bring in a striker but in Giroud we have someone who's been in good form in preseason and we trust him"
Basically means the same thing
Not it isn't it's frustration at a clueless manager who just won't spend some f*cking money on what the team needs for a change, we know him pretty well by now.
Go to the Wenger slaughterhouse.
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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When we last won the league in 2004. How many world class players did we have?. Jens Sol, paddy, Pires, Bergy, Henry. That's at least 6 some would say as many as 8. That seems to be the minimum you need to overcome the deficit of Wenger the clueless as your manager. A
Those arguing crap can sometimes come good are just on a wind-up. It's plain to see for any rationale supporter, that we have come down a long way in terms of squad depth and so have no hope of winning anything as the teams we are up against orestrengthening not diluting. The last year when we had RVP, we had lost Cesc our only other class player. It's Wenger on the gamble again, hoping to make 4th with a squad of journeymen. It's all bull
I almost feel as if he's become obsessed with achieving the top 4 target on a minimum/if not net spend in our favour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Let's be honest, if he was to spend upwards of 50million Net I can't for one minute believe the board wouldn't expect some kind of improvement in terms of performance and the teams standing.
We're in a vicous circle and I have said on countless times...the REAL problem here is Arsene IMHO.
Ivan has more or less put Arsene to task with his preaching of the funds we have available, it's absolutely on Arsene's head to spend it and if he refuses to then he will be the one facing the questions if we fall short this season.
He's got nowhere to hide this time, the money is there.
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Originally Posted by selassie
why would a man who won what he did in the first 6 years here change from being obssesed with winning to obssesed with getting top four? that argument just doesnt make any sense
Maybe not to you. The problem you have is that you hate the reality that stares you in the face so pretend you can't seeit. WENGER himself has said top four IS A Trophy. What more do you need to hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
No, what he said is that finishing top 4 brings greater rewards then the domestic trophies. Which is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
"The first trophy is to finish in the top four,"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...l-fourth-place
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Originally Posted by GayPete
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wigan won a trophy, would you go and join them over a club who just got top four? no. players, especially the ones we want to sign, want champions league football. tahts what wenger was saying, was that top four meant more to players looking to join you then the league cup
Pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...l-fourth-place
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-a-trophy.html
Are you familiar with the concept of a simile?
you ignored this key quote didnt you? yeah thought soQuote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
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"I say that because if you want to attract the best players, they do not ask 'did you win the League Cup?', they ask you 'do you play in the Champions League?'."
The problem with Wenger and those who prefer a top 4 spot to a trophy is that they're only seeing "reward" as an economic thing. Yes, economically speaking top 4 is much superior to a domestic trophy, but winning a domestic cup brings with it intrinsic rewards that cannot be quantified on a balance sheet. For example, we have a rich history of success in the FA Cup, and to continue that success adds to our heritage and is valued by the fans, even though on purely financial criteria, it doesn't mean a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
I thought we were talking about 4th place being a trophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Does he say that or not?
because he probably views us as the best team in the league in the sense we aren't bankrolled.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
if he was obsessed with winning he would have done a lot more than he has done over the past 7 years, let's not pretend he's blameless in all of this, he's made his fair share of mistakes, I mean we're still suffering from his crazy "wage policy", we have around 6 players we can't shift, nobody wants them and nobody wants to pay them what we are paying them.
arsene is very principal driven, everything has to be done "the right way" which basically translates to "his way".
he has history, why do you think they kicked him out of Monaco? Read up on it and you will be surprised how similar things went over there to what they are like now at arsenal.
"The first trophy is to finish in the top four,"Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...l-fourth-place
Then why ignore this?
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
because that quote comes directy after being knocked out of a cup, so its likely to be arsene giving his players some form of pick up.
even if we look at it at face value, are you seriously suggesting, that arsene wenger, after what he has won, would if you asked him, fourth place or league champions would say fourth place is first trophy.
given when he said that quote, its much more likely to be spin after a match to help pick his players up. because the quote from this year with 4th place is a trophy says this.
"there are five trophies, league, CL, top four, fa cup, league cup"
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Originally Posted by GayPete
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Originally Posted by selassie
united arent bankrolled either.
ive never pretended he is blameless, of course he has made mistakes, however, hes a winner. if you met him in ten years time and asked him what was his proudest moment at arsenal, he would not say getting top four in x year, but winning x trophy. probably the unbeatables.
he is principled and thats both good and bad, this is where gazidas fails. if arsene says x player is only worth x million, im not paying, gazidas should turn round and go, im ceo, i control the money im paying y money. wenger wont turn round and not play the player
there are a lot of debates to be had about wenger, but debating wether he wants to win or get top four is not one of them.
Are they like smilies for the dsylexic?Quote:
Originally Posted by GayPete
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Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
But he's said 4th is an achievement right? It's like winning trophy as he puts it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
I just watched an interview where Mourinho has openly said he doesn't want his players to feel as though the Europa League is their competition. It should be considered a disappointment. When our manager is talking about 4th place being an achievement over a domestic cup, it's sending out the wrong message. It sets a low standard in the dressing room because he sets it up as if it's an achievement. Just imagine if your teacher and parents said you should aim for a job in McD's and be content with that? What does that say about your ability?
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Boom
A winner who never wins, I like that :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
He's happy with top 4 face it, he wouldn't go on about it like he does if he wasn't. He praises the team regularly for getting 4th place despite crashing out of every important trophy by February/March.
Wtf does this have to do with transfer news, bore off you broken record motherfuckers :sleep::blah::yawn: