Luis Suarez thread

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

1. If we sign Suarez than nothing was cocked up. If we signed Higuain but could have signed Suarez that would have been a cock up.

2. Higuain is certainly not world class. He's not in the top ten forwards in the world - Suarez is.

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1. yes it could be cocked up because we could end up losing in the QL qualifier as suarez will probably be signed on the 31st august. what then? not a cock up? and by the time he's eligible for the league we could be 10 points behind the leaders. what then? still not a cock up? we've taken that risk by going for suarez who cant play until october. getting in someone like higuain would have minimised the risk. he could play from the start and give us a better chance of getting off to a good start. the way some of you treat the season it seems as if it starts on 2nd sept. well it doesnt. we have 5 games before then which could determine the fate of our season. and seeing as our last 2 finishes were decided on 1 solitary point, throwing away 5 games is a stupid approach.

2. :lol: and as for that definition of world class, let's just leave that argument here. that is a ridiculous definition. world class has so many more things attached to it than simply being in the best 10 in that particular position. but if we're going to choose a number to suit our argument why not top 15? top 20? or top 7.89? some people even suggest being world class means being in the best 11 in the world, so why not use that definition? well suarez wouldnt get into the best 11 which means he's not world class (and certainly not worth a staggering £45m). see, we can all make up definitions to suit our argument :tiphat:

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Unless Wenger pulls off some Michael Corleone, Godfather finale, taking care of business in one day swoop movement, this summer has been a disaster. It seems as though there has been no planning or strategy involved at all. It's like we have one man and his briefcase taking care of all transfer dealings and can only do one deal at a time. Signing Suarez will amount to nothing if we're hit with injuries that cripple our defence. I'd expect the Suarez deal to be drawn out but it doesn't excuse the lack of movement in other key areas.

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:doh: should have just read a few posts down and pasted this tbh. spot on.

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

Well I don't think signing Higuain at what was it, £33 million in the end is neccesarily going to leave us the option of many more players either. Us having to deal with players facing suspensions is hardly anything new!

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you're completely underestimating the effect on the team.

we have 5 games to play before 2nd sept. if preseason is anything to go by, facing any half decent team is going to put us in real trouble for the qualifier.

we had higuain who was willing to come here regardless of whether we were going to be in the champions league. a world class player with a world class record didn't give a shit, he was willing. suarez has said it's a must. that means we won't sign him until we've qualified at least because that's his prerequisite. what if we lose that game and suarez decides against moving here? you cant say it wont happen because we've looked bad against half decent teams in preseason. who are we left to sign then? we're fucked.

and then there's other little things like if you sign higuain you can play him in the league and leave giroud solely for europe i.e. you can bench giroud and keep him completely fit and focused on the qualifier. now that's what you call taking a good, non-risky, well planned approach. but now giroud plays the league games and then the european games. what if giroud has a stinker and we have no decent player to come off the bench? what if he gets injured? what do we do then? put bendtner up top? Lol

we've taken another risky approach in a summer where we've had the resources to divert from taking risks. our bank balance and resources were supposed to signify a different approach but we've done exactly the same thing as before. we've taken ANOTHER risk. this was supposed to be the summer where there were no risks. just think about that for a second.

Wouldn't surprise me if some buggy software has been picking our transfer targets.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...l-striker.html

Deal starting to look more impossible by the day unless we significantly up our offer. That means our tight wads offering £45mill or even £50mill for one player (plus wages on top). Can anyone really see it? Huge sighs of relief all around the board room and from Wenger's office. That was a close call.

Rodgers seems to be trying for at least one interview a day on this transfer, can't shut him up. You'd think somebody at the club would have a word.

Seriously this guy is delusional... No matter if Suarez is sold or not, when the transfer window closes, Liverpool and especially Brendan Rodgers have handled this in the worst possible manner ever. Its a lose/lose situation for them no matter what happends.

It wouldn't surprise me if Bendtner is played regularly next season by Wenger :(

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

you're completely underestimating the effect on the team.

we have 5 games to play before 2nd sept. if preseason is anything to go by, facing any half decent team is going to put us in real trouble for the qualifier.

we had higuain who was willing to come here regardless of whether we were going to be in the champions league. a world class player with a world class record didn't give a shit, he was willing. suarez has said it's a must. that means we won't sign him until we've qualified at least because that's his prerequisite. what if we lose that game and suarez decides against moving here? you cant say it wont happen because we've looked bad against half decent teams in preseason. who are we left to sign then? we're fucked.

and then there's other little things like if you sign higuain you can play him in the league and leave giroud solely for europe i.e. you can bench giroud and keep him completely fit and focused on the qualifier. now that's what you call taking a good, non-risky, well planned approach. but now giroud plays the league games and then the european games. what if giroud has a stinker and we have no decent player to come off the bench? what if he gets injured? what do we do then? put bendtner up top? Lol

we've taken another risky approach in a summer where we've had the resources to divert from taking risks. our bank balance and resources were supposed to signify a different approach but we've done exactly the same thing as before. we've taken ANOTHER risk. this was supposed to be the summer where there were no risks. just think about that for a second.

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We could have got Higuain, no doubt. I'd rather we went for the best players available that we can get and that is the case in this situation, in spite of all the issues surrounding. Also, the point that you have made is not in consideration of what Zim and I were talking about. The suggestion was that we won't sign anyone else because of Suarez's potential fee whereas we would've been going for a fair few other players, despite Higuain's fee, as it stand only being £8 million less or so.

To say Suarez is hanging back until we 'make' the Champions League isn't particularly accurate when we haven't even agreed a fee with Liverpool yet, he could play in those matches and if he doesn't take this opportunity he is guaranteed to have no European football this season whatsoever.

Let's suppose you are right and that the best players are hanging back until we qualify for the Champions League, does that mean we go in and buy players of lesser quality just to show we're active? I think we've done enough of that in the past.

It's obvious that you are very concerned of how the squad is currently for those two matches, however I'm not, unless we draw Real Sociedad. If Giroud has a stinker, we can get Poldi to goal hang and use his left foot, or make Theo happy.

This was supposed to be the summer when there were no risks doesn't resonate; I can't remember that being suggested. I can remember it being suggested by Gazidis we can do 'exciting' things but I don't remember saying it will be risk free. You can have plans and they can change, they obviously changed to a certain degree when we learnt Suarez is a potential signing. If we don't see it through, then I will probably be on your side but not until then.