Summer transfer joy and happiness

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

Judging from the rumours a team on the level of Palace, Wolves or West Ham.

Good on Emery for not giving him any guarantees though. No player in the team should be be guaranteed to start, especially not an injury prone & inconsistent player like him.

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He sounds entitled. He wasn't a guaranteed starter under Wenger so what made him think Emery would guarantee him playing time? I like Jack and have had sympathy for him in the past but I think he's made a poor decision. Again. It's just like when we decided to go on loan to Bournemouth because Wenger wouldn't assure him of playing time. That decision to go out on loan backfired because he had an average season, still ended up getting injured and that put him in a shit position upon his return to Arsenal to negotiate a new contract. You can't come back off loan with 2 assists under your belt, average performances and think you'll get back into the first team. It exposed him and dropped his stock around the country.

Emery can't guarantee him playing time but if he'd at least tried to prove himself and hang around to learn from him, it would be better for him in the long run. Unless he's going to a bigger rival club, I don't see the benefit of taking a step down to a lower league club when he still has a lot to learn and could benefit from Emery's knowledge. He should have at least hung around for a year and then make a decision.

You can’t expect him to play for a manager that doesn’t really care if he’s here or not, every player needs to feel wanted. I don’t think it’s about being entitled, it’s about him being 26, embarrassed to have missed out on the World Cup and in desperate need of regular football to reignite his career.

Theo left it too late and wasted his entire career, Ox got out at the right time and there’s still a bit of time for Wheelchair to start again. The time was right for him with his contact up, there was no point in signing a new deal to become a bit part player, eventually he’d have just become deadwood.

I hope he's brave enough to go and play abroad. I feel like he could really flourish in Italy.

He'll waste away playing for shit like West Ham.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

You can’t expect him to play for a manager that doesn’t really care if he’s here or not, every player needs to feel wanted. I don’t think it’s about being entitled, it’s about him being 26, embarrassed to have missed out on the World Cup and in desperate need of regular football to reignite his career.

Theo left it too late and wasted his entire career, Ox got out at the right time and there’s still a bit of time for Wheelchair to start again. The time was right for him with his contact up, there was no point in signing a new deal to become a bit part player, eventually he’d have just become deadwood.

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Why not? Most players are in the same position. You also can't expect a new manager to guarantee him a start when looking at his track record. Every player has to prove themselves. It concerns me that Jack doesn't see this as an opportunity to try and impress the new boss and prove his worth. I don't want the new coach to pander to bruised egos. That's partly where Wenger went wrong for some players. The players you mention left it too late because they were playing under Wenger for years, got plenty of playing time and learned nothing. Jack deciding to leave now is silly because he doesn't see the challenge ahead of himself and it sounds like he wants to walk into the first team despite the fact that he's been on crutches most of his playing career. Who is he to Emery?

Do we even know if Jack got the option to stay? Maybe he was tole he wasn't required but let him look as if it was his own decision.

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Originally Posted by Power n Glory

Why not? Most players are in the same position. You also can't expect a new manager to guarantee him a start when looking at his track record. Every player has to prove themselves. It concerns me that Jack doesn't see this as an opportunity to try and impress the new boss and prove his worth. I don't want the new coach to pander to bruised egos. That's partly where Wenger went wrong for some players. The players you mention left it too late because they were playing under Wenger for years, got plenty of playing time and learned nothing. Jack deciding to leave now is silly because he doesn't see the challenge ahead of himself and it sounds like he wants to walk into the first team despite the fact that he's been on crutches most of his playing career. Who is he to Emery?

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You’re right most players are in the same position of having to prove themselves but the difference is Wheelchair was out of contract. I’m sure there are plenty of others Emery can’t guarantee football for but it’s not so easy to get rid of those.

We’re not privy to how the meeting went but it’s safe to assume Emery didn’t give him the time of day, which is absolutely fine by me. Wheelchair doesn’t have any chips to play with now so I think he’s doing himself a favour by moving on. As I said, whether there’s a challenge to be had or not, players if faced with a choice are not going play for managers who don’t value them. I don’t think he’s silly or entitled, he’s just putting himself first which is fine at this stage of his career, I can’t knock that given the amount of deadwood who’ve been stealing a pay packet over the past decade. Wheelchair would undoubtedly have gone down the same path had he stayed.

Sorry it hasn't worked out for Jack but I think he would struggle if Emery wants to adopt more of a pressing game. He really lacks the engine to get around the pitch. Agree that somewhere like Italy might be more suited to him.

Have to say I am enjoying the quick decision making, identifying areas we need to strengthen, signing players early, releasing those not part of the plans (players and coaches). I'm sure not everything will work out, but it's a fresh approach after years of dithering and last minute trolley dashes.

Sampdoria's president has confirmed that Torreira has been sold for €30m - no mention of the buying club, but fingers crossed!

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

You’re right most players are in the same position of having to prove themselves but the difference is Wheelchair was out of contract. I’m sure there are plenty of others Emery can’t guarantee football for but it’s not so easy to get rid of those.

We’re not privy to how the meeting went but it’s safe to assume Emery didn’t give him the time of day, which is absolutely fine by me. Wheelchair doesn’t have any chips to play with now so I think he’s doing himself a favour by moving on. As I said, whether there’s a challenge to be had or not, players if faced with a choice are not going play for managers who don’t value them. I don’t think he’s silly or entitled, he’s just putting himself first which is fine at this stage of his career, I can’t knock that given the amount of deadwood who’ve been stealing a pay packet over the past decade. Wheelchair would undoubtedly have gone down the same path had he stayed.

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I fear Wilshere will sign for a West Ham and he won't progress any further. I can't see him going abroad because he looks as though he's afraid of a challenge and wants security. I don't think that will do him any good. I say it's the wrong time to move on. If you can't break into the first team after a year then hand in a transfer request and move on. We've seen some major changes at the club, positive changes that could help his development.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Wheelchair was the crown jewel of the academy at the time, I had so much faith he’d be our version of Gerrard, Terry etc. Now AMN is the next big hope but after how Wheelchair turned out I won’t be so quick to believe he’s the real deal. Too many young players don’t even go on to have a fraction of the careers they were touted to have.

Also, in this climate he’s easily a 30m player and we’ve missed out again on a big fee.

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Aye, I do kind of feel for him because injuries wrecked his development. He is still a tidy player but most definitely not good enough to be a guaranteed starter in a top 4 team. I also don’t think he is suited to playing in a high press team which appears to be Emery’s defined style for the teams he manages.

Yep agree re: AMN, I’ll reserve judgement until he fully establishes himself. More recently Bellerin & Iwobi both looked like great young talents and they both appeared to lose their way under Wenger.