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Originally Posted by mandela8

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But Jesus right position doesn't appear to be as a CF, which leaves Nketiah. THIS is where the money should've been spent.

As for conceding anything stat wise about Saka...you must have me confused with someone else. His goal scoring record is largely poor for a forward at a top club and I've less than zero time for any nonsense assist stat. It's a ridiculous piece of stupidity, man. Very, very rarely would I place extra value on that final pass compared the penultimate pass or many before that. It has no place in reasonable fitba discourse.

Agreed on the Zin and Havertz posts but the squad lacks a goalscorer. How anyone can justify Rice before that is beyond me, mate.

Partey, from what I can see with a very quick look and happy to be corrected, has missed around 45 games from a possible 165. So he's been available over 70% his tenure. Not really sure where "basically always" comes from, so I'll not try to debate in the absence of good faith.
I think Jorginho is fuckin wank and Elneny is worse, fwiw, but not really relevant. They do offer depth that is lacking in other positions, which was largely my point.

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but if you think Jorg and Elneny are crap how does that offer 'depth'? - if players aren't up to their positions then that is a recipe for failure - look at when Holding came in at the end of last season, the huge drop in quality from Saliba was one (but not the only) reason we fell away. OK, it's impossible to have another Saliba but Kiwior could - and eventually did - have done better and also Arteta should have re-organised to cover the weakness (if he was a manager who understands how to alter tactics in a game which of course Arteta largely doesn't)

But the point is if we say Holding was providing 'depth', it didn't serve much purpose

As for Saka, I can't be bothered to find the post but it was in reply to yet another assertion from you that Saka was 'crap' and i found the stat which showed that Saka was one or our highest goalscorers and you said something like 'aye fair point' or something

see this: https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footbal...p-scorers.html

One goal behind Martinelli and Odegaard last season and that's not a bad tally for a creative winger - and you can't tell me assists don't count for anything, sure some are only technically an assist, but equally, look at his ball in to Trossard at the weekend - a superb delivery to set up a great chance which Trossard took very well and a lot of his assists are similarly picking out a player to provde a good chance


as for Partey what's his stat for say the last 12 months? i suspect it's more like 40-50% at best - again not good enough if he's an important player you're trying to rely on

but yes we desperately need a striker - we've all (apart from Arteta) been saying that for about a year now, it's nothing new

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Originally Posted by Mac76

but if you think Jorg and Elneny are crap how does that offer 'depth'? - if players aren't up to their positions then that is a recipe for failure - look at when Holding came in at the end of last season, the huge drop in quality from Saliba was one (but not the only) reason we fell away. OK, it's impossible to have another Saliba but Kiwior could - and eventually did - have done better and also Arteta should have re-organised to cover the weakness (if he was a manager who understands how to alter tactics in a game which of course Arteta largely doesn't)

But the point is if we say Holding was providing 'depth', it didn't serve much purpose

As for Saka, I can't be bothered to find the post but it was in reply to yet another assertion from you that Saka was 'crap' and i found the stat which showed that Saka was one or our highest goalscorers and you said something like 'aye fair point' or something

see this: https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footbal...p-scorers.html

One goal behind Martinelli and Odegaard last season and that's not a bad tally for a creative winger - and you can't tell me assists don't count for anything, sure some are only technically an assist, but equally, look at his ball in to Trossard at the weekend - a superb delivery to set up a great chance which Trossard took very well and a lot of his assists are similarly picking out a player to provde a good chance


as for Partey what's his stat for say the last 12 months? i suspect it's more like 40-50% at best - again not good enough if he's an important player you're trying to rely on

but yes we desperately need a striker - we've all (apart from Arteta) been saying that for about a year now, it's nothing new

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You found the stat? :haha

I know who are top scorers are, mate.

Less goals than Martinelli despite playing far more minutes and taking penalties. Regardless, his goal return was fine last season, but overall it has been poor...he's young though. My issue is more about the chances that die at his feet, tbh.

And, again, I find it difficult to articulate how utterly fuckin worthless the assist stat is to me.

I don't really see much point continuing the Rice debate. I'm long past trying to get people to change their minds on message boards. If you think spending over 100m on a DM, in that squad, was money well spent then I'll just tap out here. Watching the game anyway.

Arteta has got me back into the game and that I am thankful for (I guess) but I really do have to start questioning him. We have nothing upfront, Havertz was a total waste of money and the problem he has totally manufactured in goal is ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by The Wengerbabies

Arteta has got me back into the game and that I am thankful for (I guess) but I really do have to start questioning him. We have nothing upfront, Havertz was a total waste of money and the problem he has totally manufactured in goal is ludicrous.

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Signing Havertz has completely unbalanced the Midfield. What makes it worse is if Ode is out we have next to no creativity in Midfield, we offer literally nothing as seen on Saturday.

We need to sort out a Centre forward too because whilst Eddie is decent at home against lesser teams he offers nothing when up against competitive teams, especially away from home. Jesus can't be considered first choice until he sorts out his injury problems.

I haven't posted on here in a while due to work committments etc, but I just wanted to come back and post and take back some of my words. Since the turn of the year in PL our results and form has been really special. Whatever happens this season I can't really fault Arteta or even the players for the perfomances and results they are delivering right now at this crucial point in the season.

I realise there is a way to go, but this team seems to be peaking at the right now, the quality, the organisation, the application, the fight, it's all their. Not only that but it's the first time since the peak "Wenger years" where I am starting to believe this team is capable of producing something very special.

Arteta is building something very special right before our eyes, this is no flash in the pan, he delivering a proper project and I certainly trust the process.

My opinion on Arteta is largely unchanged. I give him credit for using set pieces to address our inability to get past the deep block….but he lacks the ability to get us where we want to be. It’s not his tactical knowledge I doubt, it’s his personality. He doesn’t have one….hes about as easy to warm to as Mr Freeze.

I used to think he was scared of having players who might challenge his authority, but I think he’s totally indifferent….so totally convinced that he is right, that he wouldn’t be affronted by the challenge but neither would he stop to consider whether the person had a point.

He lacks empathy, and seems to have suggested that it’s just a case of players playing through pain rather than the risk this causes of long term injury (Saka, Saliba etc) he’s over coached this team to the point where they function like automatons and none of the players have the character to not buy into it and show a spark of individuality.


As we’ve repeatedly seen with Arteta, we go on these great runs which eventually and inevitably end up in tears because rotation is anathema to him and he plays the same group of players into the ground.

Now I say that being aware that based on our performances at the beginning of the season, I thought we were headed for disaster and clearly that hasn’t transpired and it probably won’t. It will end up with disappointment that we will all kind of accept because it’s better than we were a few years ago and it will take a few more years of the cycle repeating itself before we understand that this isn’t a bug it’s a feature of Arteta. But like with Wenger, the club won’t move him on because he’s doing just enough

I’m inclined to believe that it is a freak patch of form rather than a sign we’re about to become world beaters, however there’s no doubt we look mightily impressive right now compared to how stodgy things looked in the first half of the season.

I think we’re capable of winning the league now but being just very good isn’t enough anymore given what we’re competing against. Last season definitely taught us that things can change extremely quickly so I hope we use that experience well. Let’s see how we’re feeling after the Etihad trip.

So in summation, yes I want him gone….ive wanted him gone for over three years. I don’t think anything will change that given that I don’t think we will win the league or the European cup under him. Now that’s 50% bias, I immensely dislike him as a person. I think he’s passive aggressive, lacking in charm and unless I was getting paid the money these players are, I’d absolutely refuse to work with someone like him.

But equally, I’m not especially animated about it. Where I was wrong is that this is going to be far more a return to top 4 is a trophy days rather than utter spinning wildly out of control.


Of course it’s not just him, with FFP I don’t think anyone could overnight take this team to winning things. It’s just not good enough…especially up front and in midfield. Rice has had an excellent season, but he lacks the technical ability, pace or ability to retain possession under pressure that would truly make a midfielder world class. And really we need to jettison Partey and Jorginho and bring in at least one world class midfielder to play alongside Rice. But we can’t do that because of Arteta’s transfer indiscipline

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

I’m inclined to believe that it is a freak patch of form rather than a sign we’re about to become world beaters, however there’s no doubt we look mightily impressive right now compared to how stodgy things looked in the first half of the season.

I think we’re capable of winning the league now but being just very good isn’t enough anymore given what we’re competing against. Last season definitely taught us that things can change extremely quickly so I hope we use that experience well. Let’s see how we’re feeling after the Etihad trip.

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I think the team is somewhere in between where we are this season and what we saw in spells last season. I don't personally think we are the best team in the league and personally think City will end up winning it.

I do now think we are legitimate title challengers, I have seen enough, not just with the football team, but with the work that is going on upstairs (Josh Kroenke, Edu and Vinay). The structure and organisation has been built to "win" or at least "challenge properly".

Arteta is not perfect, he has his faults, sometimes in team selection and sometimes in tactics, but we are heading in the right direction and I see no reason why the standards should or would suddenly slip.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

So in summation, yes I want him gone….ive wanted him gone for over three years. I don’t think anything will change that given that I don’t think we will win the league or the European cup under him. Now that’s 50% bias, I immensely dislike him as a person. I think he’s passive aggressive, lacking in charm and unless I was getting paid the money these players are, I’d absolutely refuse to work with someone like him.

But equally, I’m not especially animated about it. Where I was wrong is that this is going to be far more a return to top 4 is a trophy days rather than utter spinning wildly out of control.


Of course it’s not just him, with FFP I don’t think anyone could overnight take this team to winning things. It’s just not good enough…especially up front and in midfield. Rice has had an excellent season, but he lacks the technical ability, pace or ability to retain possession under pressure that would truly make a midfielder world class. And really we need to jettison Partey and Jorginho and bring in at least one world class midfielder to play alongside Rice. But we can’t do that because of Arteta’s transfer indiscipline

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HCZ, who would you like to come in and replace him? I assume in your eyes, his successor would win the trophies you think Arteta is not capable of winning?