Gooners have been spoilt

No - not like that. I mean that a combination of petro dollars and 7 trophy less years seems to have turned many of us into bitter, perennially alienated fans.

This is no Wenger apologist thread, but it amazes me the comments I've seen on here and elsewhere about our team and club. The fact that we a written off after a single game where we failed to win against a team that will grind out many bore draws this season against decent opposition. Slagging off of players who have played a single competitive match together.

I asked recently whether it is Wenger who has become stale or whether it is us? The attitude that has been shown by many Gooners so far this season would suggest it is firmly the latter. Does slipping off your perch make every fan feel like this? I'd love to hear from some older Liverpool, Spurs or Villa fans, because it's difficult to imagine more of a negative outlook at the beginning of a season. Sure, we are unlikely to win the league, yes we have lost one player we admired, and another who IMO is Adebayor-lite. But Wenger seems to be trying to deliver something different at least.

Have we honestly forgotten to enjoy seeing a team develop? Do our new signings not deserve a little faith? Are we not even half excited about seeing perhaps a different style of football once new players bed in. Or have we become so jaded by our club's failure to spend petro-dollar style that we only watch Arsenal to see us fail?

We have been spoiled, though I don't know if I've moaned that much.

I get pissed off more with football in general than I do with club specifics (though many of those sickening things happening in football are prevelent at our club).

Still think Aw is a genius for delivering without spending anything, and I'm genuinely excited about the season ahead, and the new signings. I think we're a stronger side than we were last year.

If we didn't hear so much guff in the media, I'm pretty sure 50% of the disatisfied fans would be of the same opinion.

i agree with LDG, generally speaking football has turned shit over the last 10 years or so. but this is the 1st season in the last 5 say that i am quite happy with the summer and looking forward to this team gelling in the near future. I am not that old but have seen the arsenal in a lot worse times then these so realise theres always ups n downs but we do have a top manager IMO and this year i truly believe will be a re emergence of arsenal as a force. but younger fans maybe do want instant success, maybe they have grown up not knowing what it was like pre-AW days and so all they have seen is success. I can wait if things are moving in the right direction. there is still plenty of time this summer for us to still fuck up big time tho! the hu ha after our 1st game was incredible! i mean, if we lost half this forum would be on suicide watch!

The reaction after the first game was justified.

It might have been the first game of the season but to us, it felt like just another game of the previous 3 seasons where nothing had been learned and we lacked any ideas on how to break teams down.

We bought in 3 players which of course raised the excitement level and rightly so cos Wenger buying 3 ready made players is literally unheard of these days but then we go and sell 2 of our star players so right back to square one.

Seeing the same shit, same mistakes same everything being made season in and season out can make anyone pull their hair out. 7 years we have not developed, what makes people think we will this season? We have not improved at all the last 7 years. Sure the first 2/3 years, we were content with top 4 as we settled in to the new stadium and a new era but then we expected the club to push on and once again become challengers for the main trophies cos as i said, if we keep challenging for the league then eventually we will win it but unfortunately the board and Wenger are quite content with settling for top 4 and the level we are at atm and takes no risk of trying to challenge. I thought he was taking a risk by bringing in players this summer but we have pretty much made back what we spent with the sales of RVP and Song so we havent moved on at all imo

Add the fact we play shit football, pay the most of any fans in the country to see this shit football and you can see why fans are the way they are.

Not much wrong with the fans, plenty wrong with the top brass at the club

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Originally Posted by LDG

We have been spoiled, though I don't know if I've moaned that much.

I get pissed off more with football in general than I do with club specifics (though many of those sickening things happening in football are prevelent at our club).

Still think Aw is a genius for delivering without spending anything, and I'm genuinely excited about the season ahead, and the new signings. I think we're a stronger side than we were last year.

If we didn't hear so much guff in the media, I'm pretty sure 50% of the disatisfied fans would be of the same opinion.

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Mate not putting all in one basket - and I like your attitude. Not a WKB but nevertheless positive in your approach.

You are right about the media. But the same 'season written off' was present at the Emirates last Saturday too. IMHO this is why Chelsea and Citeh are most guilty. It's not a question of fact when it comes to clubs being richer than others - that has always been the case - its a question of degree, and the petrodollar clubs are guilty of making everyone not spanking 10s of millions like it was nothing feel aggrieved with their clubs. Gooners most of all.

7 years and running and some fans patience have worn thin. First game, some fans went OT, but it's also OT for this sort of thread in response. It's too early to call anything. We're looking more active in the transfer window, yet we're still selling players. We've got a fresh team, but will Wenger work out a system that gets the very best out of each player? We don't know yet. But I wouldn't start turning the knife on fans considering the last few years we've had.

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Originally Posted by Ach

The reaction after the first game was justified.

It might have been the first game of the season but to us, it felt like just another game of the previous 3 seasons where nothing had been learned and we lacked any ideas on how to break teams down.

We bought in 3 players which of course raised the excitement level and rightly so cos Wenger buying 3 ready made players is literally unheard of these days but then we go and sell 2 of our star players so right back to square one.

Seeing the same shit, same mistakes same everything being made season in and season out can make anyone pull their hair out. 7 years we have not developed, what makes people think we will this season? We have not improved at all the last 7 years. Sure the first 2/3 years, we were content with top 4 as we settled in to the new stadium and a new era but then we expected the club to push on and once again become challengers for the main trophies cos as i said, if we keep challenging for the league then eventually we will win it but unfortunately the board and Wenger are quite content with settling for top 4 and the level we are at atm and takes no risk of trying to challenge. I thought he was taking a risk by bringing in players this summer but we have pretty much made back what we spent with the sales of RVP and Song so we havent moved on at all imo

Add the fact we play shit football, pay the most of any fans in the country to see this shit football and you can see why fans are the way they are.

Not much wrong with the fans, plenty wrong with the top brass at the club

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I'm with you on the one step forwards two steps back - and the frustration that that causes - but firstly would that have been quite the case without Citeh and Chelsea's presence, secondly could the cub really have done anything about our terminal to leave players and their agents, and lastly, is it ally really fair to level the same accusation against the club this season, when it seems as though therre has been more of a fundamental change in our approach?

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

7 years and running and some fans patience have worn thin. First game, some fans went OT, but it's also OT for this sort of thread in response. It's too early to call anything. We're looking more active in the transfer window, yet we're still selling players. We've got a fresh team, but will Wenger work out a system that gets the very best out of each player? We don't know yet. But I wouldn't start turning the knife on fans considering the last few years we've had.

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Didn't think the thread was OT, but your are entitled to your opinion mate. Seems to me that it's come to the point though that short of us a) risking the club's stability by joining the £200k pw club, or b) signing a super marquee player, there are Gooners who are now almost permanently disenchanted with their club.

I feel quite optimistic...
Not sure what your all bitching about, nor what the OP is bitching about others bitching about.

1) Has more or less replaced quality with quality, for the first time in god knows how long.

2) There's even a small chance we may even spend more than we get from player sales, which has only happened a couple of times in the last 10 years.

3) Almost all the deadwood (everyone barring Chamakh) looks to be gone...

4) AW seems to have found his glasses again - Looks like the professor is back.


This is easily the best summer we've had in the last 7 years, and if we follow it up with 2-3 more signings before the end of next week I see no reason why we can't be competitive

you reap what you sow in this life - we pay one of the highest ticket prices in Europe, therefore we expect something back for our money like an actually serious attempt to address why we haven't won anything in so long.
The result of the Sunderland game was merely what was to be expected when you take your top goalscorer out of the side and expect two guys from foreign leagues neither of whom were able to feature in pre-season (one game aside) and throw them in at the deep end and ask for immediate results.