Player Rating and Match Reaction - Arsenal 4-1 Leeds United

Ramsdale 7 - Deflection meant he couldn’t do anything about Leeds goal but solid all game unlike the defence in front of him


White 6 - Good goal but Summerville made an arse of him at times


Holding 3 - Sweating spinal fluid that Saliba is back for Liverpool, if he’s not that could be the end of the title charge.


Gabriel 6 - Wasn’t helped by Zinchenko but looked flat footed at times today


Zinchenko 2 - Can we please just drop the fucking guy if Tierney is back, he can’t defend


Partey 6 - Allowed Roca too much room to operate in


Xhaka 6 - Not bad game by his standards, but still didn’t clear the ball properly for their goal


Martinelli 7 - Was the focal point of our attack for much of the first half and was dangerous


Odegaard 6 - Sloppy in possession


Trossard 6 - One of his quieter games, did well for Jesus’ second goal


Jesus 9 - He’s back a consummate menace


Subs - Jorginho, Smith Rowe, Saka, Tierney all did ok…no glaring errors so a 6. Vieira didn’t even know he’d come on scrawny fuckface


Once again no doubt I will have people criticising me for the player ratings, but the defence and midfield play like that at Anfield or Etihad, they’ll go through us like shit through a goose

I’m not being overly critical because it’s impressive that we can play within ourselves and still win comfortably but Zinchenko and Holding scare the shit out of me

I think if we win at Anfield I’ll be confident enough to say it out loud that we should win the title from there.

But I’m very pessimistic about getting a result there. Far too much history and angst there to be confident, even though we’re obviously much better than them now.

Agree with all of that. Win at Anfield and I’ll be confident that it’s coming home.
But it seems unlikely we will.
Get over that mental block and it’s ON!

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Originally Posted by Letters

Agree with all of that. Win at Anfield and I’ll be confident that it’s coming home.
But it seems unlikely we will.
Get over that mental block and it’s ON!

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Liverpool are fucking shite.
But they will probably beat us because they will raise their game.

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Originally Posted by Chippy

Liverpool are fucking shite.
But they will probably beat us because they will raise their game.

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They are shite away from home but their home record is very good. I’d honestly take a draw

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

They are shite away from home but their home record is very good. I’d honestly take a draw

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Me too. It's going to be really difficult up there. I think we will definitely score and cause them problems, but they will cause us problems too.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

They are shite away from home but their home record is very good. I’d honestly take a draw

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I would too, but that may not be good enough.
That could reduce it to 6 points with a game in hand, and they still have us to play :(
City have to slip up which is certainly plausible given the number of games they have to play.
:sick:

I wouldn’t take a draw because it would probably give City control. As difficult as it’s going to be, we need to win. A draw is satisfactory as it means a difficult game out the way without losing but it’s really going to be on a knife edge then, where any dropped points after could be fatal.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

I wouldn’t take a draw because it would probably give City control. As difficult as it’s going to be, we need to win. A draw is satisfactory as it means a difficult game out the way without losing but it’s really going to be on a knife edge then, where any dropped points after could be fatal.

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We draw against Liverpool, City and Newcastle but win the other games we win the title no matter what City do

HCZ giving nearly everyone a 6 for a 4-1 win :haha:

Ridiculous as always...

we were a bit nervy but played very well once we hit our stride and now the international break's over and we've had a big win, I'm hoping we can start the Liverpool game like we finished this one - assuming Saka starts we'll be stronger, Trossard wasn't used to being on that side for us and it meant White had fewer opportunities to link up with him than Saka

Ram - 8 - some good saves, caught out by a deflection for the goal
White - 8 - becoming one of our very best performers, loved the pub goal :lol:
Holding - 7 - not as good as against Palace, think Liverpool will target him
Gabriel - 8
Zin - 6
Xhaka - 7.5
Partey - 7.5
Odegaard - 8 - what a ball for the final goal
Martinelli - 8
Trossard - 7
Jesus - 9 - two goals - he's back

Subs

Saka - 7 5
Jorghino - 7
Tierney - 7.5
Smith Rowe / Vieira - whaddever

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Originally Posted by Mac76

HCZ giving nearly everyone a 6 for a 4-1 win :haha:

Ridiculous as always...

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6 means you played ok, you weren’t brilliant but you weren’t terrible either. I think balancing out the first half performance which was insipid with the second half which was better a 6 is about right.

Jesus was dangerous all game, Martinelli had to deal with being our main attacking outlet without Saka and a rather mooted performance from Trossard and Ramsdale made some decent saves but I think apart from that no one stood out.

White did ok getting forward but was poor defensively

Xhaka the same

We are playing a relegation battling team, and they were on the front foot for first half an hour…just because we turned the screw second half doesn’t make it a good performance it makes it an ok one.

Maybe your standards are not as high as mine

sorry but it's still absurdly unrealistic, in any reasonable measure 6 out of 10 is very sub-standard

we weren't terrible in the first half, just a bit nervy but we put pressure on, got the pel and pushed home the advantage

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Originally Posted by Mac76

sorry but it's still absurdly unrealistic, in any reasonable measure 6 out of 10 is very sub-standard

we weren't terrible in the first half, just a bit nervy but we put pressure on, got the pel and pushed home the advantage

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No it’s not at all

5 or below is sub-standard. If you got 60% in a university exam that’s a 2:1 grade

I’m sorry but when you are at home and you’re giving a relegation threatened side the chance to go ahead on at least three occasions that at the very least is poor.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

I wouldn’t take a draw because it would probably give City control. As difficult as it’s going to be, we need to win. A draw is satisfactory as it means a difficult game out the way without losing but it’s really going to be on a knife edge then, where any dropped points after could be fatal.

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Looking at the away games at Liverpool, City and Newcastle, this is why I believe we will finish second. However, for how shit we were a year or so ago, this is still a massive achievement. I would still be gutted though :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

No it’s not at all

5 or below is sub-standard. If you got 60% in a university exam that’s a 2:1 grade

I’m sorry but when you are at home and you’re giving a relegation threatened side the chance to go ahead on at least three occasions that at the very least is poor.

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Citeh-Livepool would have been closer if Liverpool had taken all their chances, it's just football, it's never one-way traffic, you seem to deduct a point from each of our players every time the other team has a shot on goal, sorry but you're just being silly

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Originally Posted by Chippy

Looking at the away games at Liverpool, City and Newcastle, this is why I believe we will finish second. However, for how shit we were a year or so ago, this is still a massive achievement. I would still be gutted though :rolleyes:

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The thing is, we are a completely different animal now, us and City are by some distance the best teams in the league right now. The reason I am skeptical about us winning the title is because of the injury to Saliba, with a fully fit squad I would actually fancy us to go to Anfield next Sunday and come away with a result. If Holding plays then I think it could be a real struggle, I definitely think that of the City game and the Newcastle game whilst it will be really tough, I kind of fancy us to go up there and play them off the park.

That's the difference these days, this team has shown that it can go anywhere with the exception of Man City and control games. I guess we just have to wait and see, the good thing is we do have a points advantage which could prove the difference come the end of the season.

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Originally Posted by Mac76

Citeh-Livepool would have been closer if Liverpool had taken all their chances, it's just football, it's never one-way traffic, you seem to deduct a point from each of our players every time the other team has a shot on goal, sorry but you're just being silly

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It’s not about having a shot on goal it’s about letting them run riot for thirty minutes. City controlled that game against Liverpool from start to finish. I would say Leeds created more chances against us than Liverpool did at the Etihad. One is a side perennially battling relegation, the other is a team that was a whisker away from winning the title last season.

These things of course happen, but we’ve conceded 18 goals in 15 home games this season so for my money it’s happened too often. Defences deserve 7s and 8s when we keep clean sheets.

Midfields deserve 7s and 8s when they control the game and don’t allow the opposing midfield free rein for about 30% of the game.

We need to tighten up in every area if we are to get anything against Liverpool. Fortunately games like Everton and United aside…we more often than not are more compact and solid away from home and generally my scoring for the players is higher.

Sorry but the way you hand out low scores, we'll finish first or second with our players (according to you) averaging 6 or 7 out of 10

It's rubbish

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Originally Posted by Mac76

Sorry but the way you hand out low scores, we'll finish first or second with our players (according to you) averaging 6 or 7 out of 10

It's rubbish

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In your opinion

I don’t think it’s escaped anyone’s attention that the defence especially has been a little shaky of late and that’s before Saliba got injured

Plus it’s in the name…player ratings….why bump up the rating of a player who didn’t play well because the team got a result

I don’t get the need to put it in additional context, maybe I should give Zinchenko and Xhaka higher scores because they are largely incapable of playing better but on the whole just because you get away with making a mistake doesn’t mean it should be ignored.

it's an opinion bordering on fact, given i don't think anyone (apart from you apparently) would say any team could be top of the league while all its players were averaging 6 or 7 out of ten.

it's clearly nonsense, as I say the odd error or so-so patch in a game is just football, whereas you deduct a point every time a player misplaces a single pass, it's just tosh

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Originally Posted by Mac76

it's an opinion bordering on fact, given i don't think anyone (apart from you apparently) would say any team could be top of the league while all its players were averaging 6 or 7 out of ten.

it's clearly nonsense, as I say the odd error or so-so patch in a game is just football, whereas you deduct a point every time a player misplaces a single pass, it's just tosh

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It’s not fact it’s you being an opinionated Wally and mistaking that for fact

And apart from anything else I don’t get why you’re so animated by it

10 is a perfect performance, everything you’ve done has come off…no one gets ten out of ten because it’s not possible for anyone to put in a perfect performance

6 is an average performance, you haven’t stood out in a good way or a bad way, you’ve mainly done your job and have been satisfactory.

So apart from Holding and Zinchenko I haven’t marked anyone as poor. But for the reasons I’ve described (numerously) the first half shit show (what the fuck have you got to be nervous about against Leeds) many of the performances don’t merit higher than a 6 in my view.


You disagree? Great…the context of where we are in the league really doesn’t matter

if you get 6/10 in any exam you've done badly - I'd say an average performance from a player in a top-of-the-league should be around 8, or otherwise you are underperforming

saying no-one can be 10/10 just shows the absurdity of yoru standards - what's the point of setting a top level you don't believe can be met? you should be giving people marks out of 9 instead

Mac, you have far too strong opinions about a completely subjective scoring system!

what, there are strong opinions on a message board...? :faint:

ok, but it's just such nonsense and everyone knows it :lol:

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Originally Posted by Mac76

if you get 6/10 in any exam you've done badly - I'd say an average performance from a player in a top-of-the-league should be around 8, or otherwise you are underperforming

saying no-one can be 10/10 just shows the absurdity of yoru standards - what's the point of setting a top level you don't believe can be met? you should be giving people marks out of 9 instead

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Again if you get 60% on a degree exam or essay that’s a 2:1 right there and then. 70% is a first class

So no I don’t accept that 6 out of 10 is a low grade…you sound like one of these people who would give kids medals just for competing on sports day

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Originally Posted by Mac76

what, there are strong opinions on a message board...? :faint:

ok, but it's just such nonsense and everyone knows it :lol:

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I love when people claim to be speaking for anyone but themselves as somehow that adds authority to their argument

Out of ten, how would you rate the debate on this thread?

It is possibly the worst debate since QIBTR

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Originally Posted by LDG

Out of ten, how would you rate the debate on this thread?

It is possibly the worst debate since QIBTR

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4.

Uhuh. :console:

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Originally Posted by Mac76

what, there are strong opinions on a message board...? :faint:

ok, but it's just such nonsense and everyone knows it :lol:

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:lol:

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Again if you get 60% on a degree exam or essay that’s a 2:1 right there and then. 70% is a first class

So no I don’t accept that 6 out of 10 is a low grade…you sound like one of these people who would give kids medals just for competing on sports day

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if everyone rated a product 6/10 online would you buy it?

no you wouldn't you'd think 6/10 was pretty crap - you'd probably only buy it if it was 8/10 or more

i can't be bothered to go back thorugh your scores, but am willing to bet almost everyone is averaging about 6 or 7 out of ten for the season according to you, which i'll say again for a top-of-the-table team is utterly ridiculous, but anyway if you can't see it that's your loss - I feel sorry for anyone you're in charge of, if that's how harsh you are in your staff appraisals etc - still i guess it saves on pay rises and bonuses doesn't it :lol:

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Originally Posted by Mac76

if everyone rated a product 6/10 online would you buy it?

no you wouldn't you'd think 6/10 was pretty crap - you'd probably only buy it if it was 8/10 or more

i can't be bothered to go back thorugh your scores, but am willing to bet almost everyone is averaging about 6 or 7 out of ten for the season according to you, which i'll say again for a top-of-the-table team is utterly ridiculous, but anyway if you can't see it that's your loss - I feel sorry for anyone you're in charge of, if that's how harsh you are in your staff appraisals etc - still i guess it saves on pay rises and bonuses doesn't it :lol:

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Forgetting the fact that we aren’t talking about a product. We are talking about a football team. We aren’t rating a computer game in PC Gamer magazine or a new aftershave.

This is becoming tiresome now, I’ve explained the basis on which I score…no one has asked you to accept it…..ultimately if it means you have to score players ridiculously highly (which in my opinion you have…giving substitutes who had zero impact on the game and were largely brought on to give us fresh legs 7s and 8s is absurd) so be it

If by some miracle we manage to get the same scoreline against Liverpool you’ll see plenty of 8s and 9s in my player ratings. Hell you’ll see 8s and 9s if we win by any score. I repeat again six out of time is what I consider a score for an average performance and in my view the game against Brentford (which was our best performance of the season) only two players got just a 6.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

This is becoming tiresome now.

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Don't be ridiculous. It was tiresome ages ago ;)

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Originally Posted by Letters

Don't be ridiculous. It was tiresome ages ago ;)

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:lol:

ok, i give up...

(...but it's still daft :run:)

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4.

Uhuh. :console:

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:haha:

It's an older joke sir, but it checks out.

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Originally Posted by GP

It's an older joke sir, but it checks out.

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TK421 I like your post