Surley after today he has to be gone end of the season. The guy seems to have no clue anymore.
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Surley after today he has to be gone end of the season. The guy seems to have no clue anymore.
nice and early me sees. fully agree, should have gone a long time ago. he won't leave though until the droves who pack the grove's seats make it impossible for him to manage, the man has no shame or self respect left.
NO now is not the time.
He should have gone ages ago
Write this season off (not the first time ive said that at this stage of the season for the past 6 years), play Ox as much as possible, bed him in and then watch him go next season.
New manager needed though preferably before next weeks game
Should have gone at the end of 2008-09.
Even if we don't qualify for the CL he will be kept so don't get your hopes up.
Hopefully he resigns at the end of the season after we miss out on 4th.
There is just no defending him anymore.
Utterly ridiculous sub today.
I think it´ll only happen if he resigns. It seems they´re all too happy with the business.
Should have gone at the end of last season; definitely has to leave at the end of this.
Rafa's substitution of Torres v. Birmingham was confirmation it was time up for him. Gerrard, like Van Persie, was visibly baffled by it and Rafa could never really recover from it.
The point where everybody knew, despite anything he had done before, that he wouldn't be in charge next season.
I feel it's the same for Wenger. I'd be shocked if it wasn't. And unless there's some miracle, it could be the same for some of your players as well. And not the ones you want gone, either.
Anyone else get pissed off at that stupid grin thing he does especially after a game like today.
Grin thing? I don´t know, any footage about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
What I´m pissed about are those ridiculously huge coats he uses, more like synthetic ponchos, they make him look even more clueless.
I wanted him gone a few seasons ago. He's done, there's no two ways about it.
Wanted him gone at the end of the 09/10 season after the Wigan debacle.
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Originally Posted by selassie
after his interview its upset me to see what was a great man losing the plot. The man is nothing but a yes man to the board.
http://i41.tinypic.com/fuxvv4.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Wenger is a man in the wrong field you feel. His skill set and way of thinking is out of sync with the cut-throat nature of football. Especially modern football.
09/10 season for me as well. I could see that he'd lost the plot and couldn't motivate the players anymore, as well as being tactically naive. It was a long and endless cycle of the same problems repeating themselves over and over again, patience had been lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
2 years later and its still the same! Says its own story.
He seems to have morphed more into a Director of Football/chairman/chief executive type, in charge of the finances, youth recruitment and scouting, other off the pitch roles rather than on the pitch. His time as a top level manager is done imo, his tactical naivety on its own shows that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Yes, he should be running a shoddy hotel and doing Nazi impersonations (which he'd actually be quite good at).Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
That's just it really. The game has moved on but Wenger hasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Yep Wenger's stuck in the past, relying on methods that are not working anymore, but he's too stubborn or limited to change his ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Should have gone a long time ago, but of course the board have always been 100% behind him whatever he does.
Basically it's the board and Wenger vs the fans, if the fans keep turning up the board will keep sticking two fingers up at them and laughing all the way to the bank.
If you want someone gone make it crystal clear.
Fans need to vote with their feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Or fists.
The only way he'll leave is in a coffin.
Maybe the Board could set up a premium rate number for us to register our votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Nobody would be dumb enough to fall.....Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Okay, what's the number?
Never gone to this point before - but my faith has gone. I'm not talking about faith that our team will turn around, I'm talking about faith that our mananger has what it takes to compete at the level my club should be at. I'm even finding difficult to believe that the achievements we have had under Wenger have not now become eclipsed by the extent of our decline. Its become as difficult - in the face of the continual bullshit spouted by more or less everyone connected with Arsenal, to identify the cause of our shocking decline as it is to understand what the fuck has happened to us. The bottom line is that AFC has now been mismanaged for years. We have been reduced from arguably the best club in the country, to an embarrasing shadow of our former selves in an incredibly short period of time. The truth hurts - and you have to look at the party who is principally responsible. Wenger's decisions have contributed to my club's implosion, and its become impossible not to hate him for that.
Whoa there cowboy. You'll need to purchase your Arsenalvote membership in order to ensure your right to phone the premium rate voteline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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Said pretty much the same thing although not as eloquently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
An excellent post there
Is there an upgrade available where my opinion will be at least listened to before being ignored?Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
You'll need to buy Bonds to be eligible for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Send £20 for your free prospectus.
No, you ran around shouting:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Not eloquent but just as true.Quote:
"I'm a cock, I'm a cock, I'm a cock!" - Ach, 208, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
Nah fuck it, I'll just go and support Liverpool. You get all that stuff for free over there plus they give you a million quid.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
208 and then 1801 years later, im saying the same thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Damn and i thought Wenger was bad
Okay. It was a legitimate mistake! I meant to put a dash rather than a comma after 208.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Me and dates (both types) :pal:
ok wenger goes and we get another manager in. I ask myself what will really change.
Will we see the wage structure changed? no. will we see £20m spent on a player? no.
we will see half the team leave? yes. you may argue that's a good thing, but take a step back and realise it isn't. rvp will have an excuse to go, so will vermaelen, sczcesny etc... our spine are here for him. they all look up to him.
the problem lies beyond wenger. it's the fucking board.
why are we as fans being taken as mugs? why is NOTHING being reinvested in the squad? it's because the board want to get rid of the debt ASAP then flog their shares and get out. the board are making £14000 a share with all the debt we currently have, imagine what they'd get when the debt is gone.
thats the reason we arent fucking investing.
the people at the top are filling their pockets and will walk as soon as they hit maximum profit levels and the debt is gone.
fans are too blind to see it and simply blame wenger.
I blame Wenger cos he makes the decisions about what goes on on the pitch.
The club is more than what goes on on the pitch. For sure, Wenger is responsible for that. But he's not responsible for the shit that goes on in the boardroom. We must allow (in fact I fucking insist) that the board has at least some say in the running of the club. Let's just assume, like any other board, they have total say. Kroenke the Clown has left this lot in charge, he's said he's happy to drift on without making changes. It's PHW and the gang in charge. These are the people who dictate how much we have to spend and when we have it. That doesn't mean Wenger isn't involved in how it is spent, he probably is - although I wonder what really went on with the 5 emergency signings in the summer when Wenger was out of the country. There's a massively unhealthy bias in favour of non-football related activities at the moment. Don't you get it? If the board are supporting Wenger in half a decade of folly then they are every bit as guilty as he is, if they have his hands tied they are still guilty of robbing the fans, if Wenger is controlling them (a ridiculous and utterly unrealistic scenario) then the board is guilty of being a bunch of pussies. Whatever is true, it doesn't matter who comes in a fucked up board like this stays on. Either they'll just control the new guy or end up grovelling at his feet again. They are fucking inept, sitting on their arses as the club goes down the plughole. We don't just need better tactics (Wenger's department) we need better players too and we need to be able to hang on to our existing players (the board's department). Leaders should take responsibility or else they shouldn't be leaders at all. If Wenger goes and the board stays then we have removed half the problem and there's no point trying to make out otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
This has gone on for so long now we are absolutely fucked. It's a vicious downward spiral. Players tied into a lunatic wage structure where dross are earning big bucks based on time in, rather than performances returned, can't keep star players, can't attract them, quality always dropping as our rivals improve, rinse and repeat. The only thing that has been keeping us alive has been the Champions League, not just for the money but also the prestige that means we can at least get tier 2 players from time to time. When that goes we're in real trouble. This is what Wenger has been saying (couched in political speak) this week. You saw him today. Frazzled and fucked off. He fucked up but this isn't what he wants. No manager wants steady decline. It's fair enough to blame him for fuck-ups like today, but not the long term fuck up that we've been over the past half decade. There are others who need to share in that blame and it's about time we heard from them.
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Originally Posted by -Xs-