Seems that for the first time the majority want him out.
So, simple question, Yes or No?
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Seems that for the first time the majority want him out.
So, simple question, Yes or No?
Yes, after yesterday he should have at least handed in his resignation, whether the board accept it is a diffrent issue.
yes. I have had enough of him.
no
Yes. A part of me thinks he will resign at the end of the season.
Why haven't you voted no then? you fanny.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Yes, he's finished and completely devoid of ideas.
not looking good for the old fella is it.
Because folk on the internet say he should go?Quote:
Originally Posted by alexander
Folk on the internet are never wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
I genuinely don't see a defence for him anymore.
I know the board need to shoulder some blame in terms of potenially holding back funds, but it is not them who drill a group of players who at times don't even resemble a professional football team.
yep 3 years too late. For the second time this season and the 3rd time ever i actually expectorant to turn the news on this morning and find out he had been sacked/had resigned
no, because the team are fucking shit and have no passion. Thats why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
I really am saddened by what is happening to him and think we passed the point of no return about two years ago. I will always appreciate the breath-taking football he brought to Highbury. I remember at the time thinking we were witnessing the golden age of Arsenal. The football was insanely exciting and he raised expectations to a level that was unsustainable given the strategy he and/or the Board embarked on to facilitate the move to Ashburton Grove.
We were promised that the move would enable Arsenal to grow and compete with the best. The environment changed with the advent of the sugar daddy. Ferguson adapted, but Wenger did not. The Club consequently operated a strategy completely at odds with what was promised to the fans. I accept that we could not buy the best, but for years now, we haven't come close to buying/developing a team that makes effective use of the resources that are available to us.
The approach is utterly bizarre - that might just be Wenger, it might just be the Board, but I think it is both. We are now a fallen giant and will remain so for as long as Wenger is in charge. It may still remain the case with his successor, but we have to take the jump.
I'm gutted for Wenger - anyone with an ounce of objectivity can see how much he wants to do better, but he is now being ridiculed by some - including those who rejoiced the loudest in his proudest moments. And he deserves so much better than that.
My point was just because people on here say he should go (and he should) don't mean it will influence the board to get rid or for him to go himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexander
Welll, obviously not. I only created this poll to see how far the tide had turned against him. It looks pretty grim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
I could never disrespect the man. He took us places we never would have gone without him.
Well why post here then? it wont make any difference no, but its a place to discuss/ventQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
This is true, cant take that away, but he is ruining all the good work he done for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Don't think you needed to, to see the tide has turned its been obvious for months now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
I have the utmost respect for him, his integrity and achievements but his time has passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
If you think it is irrelevant, you can always not post and leave the thread to those who want to participate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Never meant it to sound like this Thread was irrelvant at all, id never hace posted in it at all. all i meant was that it been obvious the tide has turned for months.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
I can remember the time when I actually thought it was time for Wenger to go, it was the 2-0 defeat to Braga that followed our 3-2 capitulation at home to Spurs. I just thought this man is taking us down a blind alley I gave him a reprieve in my own mind with positive results that followed like the 4-2 win over Villa, 3-1 win over chelsea etc but the games like drawing from 4 nil up at Newcastle being held to a draw at Orient etc....and I argued with my brother who said Wenger had proved him wrong and as much as I hated it I was right when I told him the season would peeter out to disappointment (though even i was surprised at the level of our collapse, losing a carling cup final that was seemingly in the bag and winning only three games after that till the end of the season)
The little run we went on through the autumn into xmas only served to mask our deficiencies and the drop in results was inevitable, and with wenger it would have been inevitable no matter who we had playing as in 07/08 we contrived to win two games in thirteen between february and april with arguably one of the best squads in the league only seeing it return when we were confident we had pissed away our chance of silverware (can't play under pressure)
Having to admit to Spurs fans in my office that they have a better team than ours is too stomach churning to bear, I know it's not all Wenger responsible for our current malaise but he's as good as any place to start.
Yes
How he went from who he was to what he is now, i'll never know.
There was a time he could be considered the best in the world at what he does. Nowadays, even Spuds want him to stay Arsenal manager and understandably so
Looks like the last season and a half of Graham's time to me (without the bungs)
No doubting the respect for Wenger will always be there and for what he's done for us. The very fact we see 4th place and going out in the CL knockouts as a flop says it all. All good things don't last forever though and Wenger is yesterdays man now, Football has moved on from 1998 and he just doesn't cut it anymore for me. If ever there was a manager living off reputation alone it has to be Arsene Wenger.
The club is stuck in a turgid cycle that remarkably repeats itself every season, it is very draining as a supporter to know exactly where the club is going wrong and to see nothing done about it. The fact my interest and emotional attachment to Arsenal has waned over the past 2 years tells me that something is broken.
It is very obvious that the club needs something radical to happen if it is going to compete at the top again.
Does anyone belive the club would get rid of him though? I just dont think they will, as much as I want him gone.
Can we still have a maybe here? Of course he has made mistakes. Any manager's mistakes are going to be either covered up or exacerbated funding he has behind him, though. We spend diddly squat to replace quality, let alone bring more of it in. This profit stuff makes me sick. Gooners splaffing their pants outside the stadium about Arteta/the mental SPLURGE of about £20m on deadline day told a story.
If they are happy to loose £12 Million then yesQuote:
Originally Posted by alexander
Ollie, can I ask you to elaborate. Im not being an arse, just reading your posts I understand you still think he has something to offer. Im struggling to understand your thinking, genuinely want to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Yeah - I have to broadly agree, I think he was the right man at the time he joined and made a difference to the Arsenal and it appears he had a big influence on a lot of the other PL teams who do a lot of the same stuff now - diet and so forth. However, now that the rest of the PL are doing that, we need something new again to regain the ability to challenge for honours consistently. I'm pretty sure that if Wenger had been prepared to compromise his ideals - just spend on 2 or 3 players - that could have made the difference to a lot of results which, in turn would have given rise to more trophies with a corresponding positive effect on the team mentality, turning what is a tired team into one able to turn it on and show confidence in attack and defence. Wenger has, for me, yet again shown that he has not changed - he did not do anything this January and for me that is the last straw. It might well be he is covering for the board and it is not all his decision, but as you say, the situation cannot continue and the only way that it seems it can change is if he moves on.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
The cycle is so repetitive and predictable, you can't even enjoy the successes that occur.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Whats wrong with Ollie saying no and leaving it at that, i understand you want to know his reasoning it behind it, but should we not repect his answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fats
He would have a lot to offer if he would change his policy on not buying players and not having so many players of the same mould. But he won't, it would seem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fats
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Can you elaborate on that please just want to know your reasoning behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPeck
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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
I have no problem in disrespecting the man, for me he has been complacently riding his achievements to stem the outrage of our descent into mediocrity. He has no more respect for the fans than that fat fuck Hill Wood does, look how he responded two weeks ago when he heard that there would be a fan protest just dismissed it like we were a bunch of malcontents and didn't try to take any responsibility for the fact that we were feeling aggrieved.
Also what have we achieved barring over-reaching by reaching a european cup final and going through a season unbeaten, I know it's hard for fans to believe but we won league titles before Wenger came to the club and even with his successes comes a plethora of missed oportunity. 03/04 was an open goal for us in the champions league...we had gone to stamford bridge in the quarters and ground out a decent result to stand us in good stead but we bottle it at highbury....anyone who says that the team we had couldn't have got past monaco or Mourinho's Porto doesn't know what they are talking about.
We have won three titles, by my calculations that's three less than we should have.......1998/1999 everyone will remember as United's treble year but not if we hadn't bottled it against Leeds.
2002/2003 - five points clear in february, united win by five points in May say no more
2007/2008 - five points clear in february.....i'm sure you get the picture
Not to forget the 2000 uefa cup where we outplay galatasray and lose on penalties
Your anger clouds your judgement.
Im not being pedantic. Just genuinely interested. I respect his view whether it agree's with anyones or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
This would be a very boring forum without debate and reasoning.
I know why I would like AW to move on and am more than willing to put forward those reasons. I would like to hear, at this point in time, why someone else still has faith in him.