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Tapping up from utd now eh?
Oh for the want of a Vieria or Keown to be on the pitch next time we meet Evra. Or a Petit "prince". The little shit wouldn't be so mouthy then. Of course we only have wimps now so we have to take it on the chin and soldier on collapse.
Arrogant cunt.
He is right though, unfortunately.
He thinks he's won 13-15 trophies in 5 years?
Is he mentally retarded?
He's won 11 in 6 seasons, not a huge difference. fucking impressive though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
That is incredible! And you get AW telling cesc there is no guarantee he will win trophies elsewhere. Oh dear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Young Guns 11
ugh ugh....ugh ughQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
It's 1 whole trophy per season difference. That gobby mong can't count.Quote:
Originally Posted by Young Guns 11
haha; you could say he's won so many, he's lost countQuote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
This is pretty intractable, TBH. Nasri hadn't really done anything prior to this season to justify a massively improved contract - so I'm not sure that the club should have tied him in long term before last Summer. The player himself, plus his agent has refused to sign this season.
This is a similar situation to Flamini (albeit with one year to go rather than a free agent situation), and I would not be at all surprised if it turns out the same.
Problem with Nasri is that he is revealing himself to be an Adebayor-type character. Remember, he was refusing to sign before our collapse - so while the low point that the club is in ATM won't be helping - IMO he is after the biggest buck, rather than driven principally by silverware.
His tepid end to the season after shining so brightly is also mirroring Adebayor (with Greedy's last season condensed into half a season for us). The fact that he played so well this season now seems, like Flamini's last season, motivated more by the need to get a fat contract than the desire to perform for the team.
Going off the guy rapidly. A quality player that I would otherwise want to keep, but we have had enough of purely selfishly-motivated players - and for me we need to get rid of them as much as the overpaid underperformers before this team can properly change. Because ultimately both types will go missing when they are really needed.
Could be wrong, but i thought Nasri disliked that cunt along with the other main cunts from the French team under Domenech, namely Gallas.
I think if he had stayed at his old club for another season, he will now be playing for a much bigger club and earning much much more. We do not know what wenger said to him to get him here in the first place. Probably was the french thing but that wears off after it becomes evident that things were not what they seemed or meant to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasri Scoreng
Nasri will sign his new deal.
If he doesn't and fucks off to the Mancs, as unlikely as it is, I'd give up on this shit.
@ budesonide - Don't know how you could figure that, TBH. From where he was, he DID move to a big club. AW put him in the shop window, and provided an environment and playing style that suited his talents.
He had not signed even when we had beaten Barca and were looking finally to have cracked it earlier this season.
Your post seems to be justifying his actions. I think the opposite. I think that his actions reveal whose real intention was to use AFC as a stepping stone.
For me the fact that Gallas thought he was an arrogant dickhead is now looking more justified. If he feels the way he seems to about our club, I'm afarid its better for all concerned that we sell immediately (it won't be to Manure), and avoid another Adebayor (compacent arrogant twat); Henry/Cesc (heart no longer in it) or Hleb/Flamini (wanting out) type situation.
I think losing one or tother of Cesc or Nasri wouldn't be a bad thing, but losing both might be a little difficult to replace....unless of course we're revamping the whole side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I still want Cesc to go anyway. He's become the epitome of our failure. He represents the whole Wenger project....and that's something we need shot of badly right now.
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Originally Posted by budesonide
True. Counting to 6 and 11 is probably quite tough for the little cocktard.
Oh; i am only speculating. But it is not a great leap in logic to suggest that Nasri was a pre-eminent talent in europe prior to joining us -- with a tag of the next zidane -- and hence we just didn't pluck him out of obscurity and therefore could just have as well gone to a much bigger club. He certainly is/was a hot talent around europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasri Scoreng
I am certainly not justifying his actions; merely pointing out that it seems to happen to us too often and that there might be more to it (the allusion to the french thing, in nasri's case).
Not sure why Fabregas and Nasri have started to get so much ill-feeling from our fans.
Whether you like it or not, all (or 90%+, so most) footballers at the top level are some kind of mercenary. Very few of the players that play for United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal actually support them, so they definitely haven't joined for the love of the club - probably for one of two main reasons; money, or success.
The only reason our top level players are agitating is because we're not winning shit and they have to play with dross every week (with both things looking unlikely to change). Given that if we sold one or the other they'd either be sold for far less than what they're worth (40M for Fabregas is a joke), we must do whatever we can to keep them and supplement the squad with players that can help them win things.
Cesc - because he has flirted with Barca for 2 years, was defended robustly by some Gooners last Summer, but has spent this season looking patently like he doesn't want to play for us - which as captain may well have contributed to our implosion.
Nasri - because he has been attempting to hold us over a barrel all season by not participating in contract talks, and gave up on the pitch with 3 months to go. Both of these situations developed while we were looking nailed on for silverware - and possibly more than one pot.
Yes, players are mercenaries - but the likes of Rooney; Tevez; Ya Ya Toure at least do the business on the pitch (in Rooney's case you could never fault his effort).
What gets to fans is when players are too ready to jump ship having been perceived as putting less than 100% in.
Given our recent history, I really struggle to understand why you think persuading want away players to stay will work well for us.
I agree that this happens to us too often. For me its a consequence of failing to win things.
But every other player is labeled the next this or that. Nasri seems to have swallowed the hype. My objection to his actions is that he has given us half an outstading season. No more, to 'justify' the new Zidane label.
Nasri can fuck off for all I care.
Wenger's fault again.
He's the one that constantly bows to player pressure and begs them to stay, or hands the the captain's armband as a bribe. He's the one that can't sign any players because it would "kill" some turd who has been languishing in the squad but never giving anything back. Wenger lets these players walk all over him. The way to deal with Nasri now is to tell him to sign the fucking contract or spend the next year in the reserves.
You have to draw the line somewhere with these fucking players. If they were only getting £50 quid and a bag of chips a week then you could understand them looking for a better deal, but these overpaid prima donnas are on a fortune, can't be arsed to give 100% and always have their fucking paw out for more.
If Wenger's staying he'd best sort his shit out when it comes to dealing with players. His job is NOT to ensure some jumped up shit is happy, it's to ensure the dickhead is putting in the performances on the pitch. It's like the Chamakh excuse, apparently the cunt had personal problems so he can't be bothered to play for us. But the cunt still takes the wages. It's not a school or a care centre it's meant to be a football club. I just don't get it. These guys are all grade one failures! They're the cunts that didn't win a trophy, not the club itself.
Fuck these tossers who say they want to leave because they want to win trophies. They were within striking distance of four trophies this year only to collapse in the most pathetic fashion the game has ever known. Cunts. Fucking rats, and you know how rats should be dealt with.
Would not expect anything less from that evra cunt tbh. not really news is it.
Evra is a wind up merchant, his words only hurt because he is right. :(
On a separate note regarding Sami...does anybody think he
a) wants out?
b) if he does, do you think we would sell him to the mancs? years ago....I would say no...but these days I'm really not so sure. :(
If we sold him to Utd it would rubber stamp the lack of ambition at the club. Not even Wenger and the board would go that far, surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Don't think samir would do that to the club or should i say Wenger as he is who most of these "play" for. Samir would most likely go abroad but can see him staying especially is Benzema comes.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
There's no way they'd sell him to the mancs. They are already walking on a tightrope as it is and wouldn't dare pushing their luck further by selling a good player to a rival.
Sure, you can point to the likes of Rooney, Tevez, Toure (who let's not forget all of which are getting roughly 250k per week to play for their clubs... something that would make a huge difference in terms of commitment I'm sure) but what about the others? Even talking about those, I'm sure if you put them in a team who has been in our position the last five years (never strengthening, trophyless, nothing looking like changing) you'd see a change in attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasri Scoreng
We put our players in systems that blatantly don't work and in a lot of cases play them out of position (Bendtner, Nasri, Diaby/Denilson, Eboue, Arshavin etc) and don't fix problems which every man and his dog can point out, and then blame those players for 'wanting away'. They want away because of the above reasons.
Fix the root problem (lack of quality in the squad / lack of capability to win things) and you could guarantee a lot more from those players. Why else does everyone on here believe Fergie could get a lot more out of our squad?
Yeah, you'd think that wouldn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
Which is exactly why they will :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
Nothing the club does surprises you anymore. However it would take a serious fuck up to sell Nasri to United.
I thought these c*nts hated each other, anyhow...
Why one of them's giving "advice" to the other beggars belief!
If someone could go ahead and build a fire, and then go ahead and arrange for Evra to die in that fire, that'd be grrrreat.
Apparently, now this hasn't been proven, I might add, but apparently, Patrice Evra's mother is a wh*re.
The Frenchman's taken an injunction out to stop this coming to light and Alex Ferguson will personally move to "ban" any journalist who questions him about it on Friday.
Letting them go hasn't really worked either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasri Scoreng
When you look at the two most successful teams of the last 5-6 years, do they let first choice players leave every summer? I don't actually know. Do they even have as many wantaways?
The fact is it's really hard to hold onto to your better players if you've got a proven track record of losing, failing in the way we do leaves a bad feeling with the players and seeing opportunities to go to clubs that are succeeding will always appeal.
Unfortunately we've become football's biggest losers that's never going to go down well, now sure you can point the finger at the players...but the whole club is about the manager and the way he does things so it's really down to him and as much as players can win you games, they can't win you trophies on their own. A great team is a sum of its parts.
Yup I feel the same. One out of the two is still manageable, but lose both and we’re fucked imo. Wholesale changes in a short space of time would do a lot of harm in our ability to function as a cohesive unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
People argue that finances isn’t a legitimate excuse for our failures and are often perplexed why AW and the board is so drawn to bargain bins and youth policy with an aversion to experienced quality, but Nasri’s situation just demonstrates why it is so. Financing fears are still predominantly in the back of their minds and our board’s refusal to budge from our wage structure is what separates us from the other “Big” clubs imo. This is Cashley and Adebuywhore saga all over again.
Clubs with no such risk aversion, and being quite effective with their strategy of dangling a huge carrot, means we are constantly under pressure to address this massive gap in pay which eats into our transfer funds every season, and to ignore it would mean we risk being seen as undeniable cheapskates which would severely impact our future ability to attract players of quality.
Rumours say we’re offering Nasri in the region of 90k per week, but if he’s offered twice that amount elsewhere, anyone in a similar quandary would be turned imo. I wonder how much we’ll have to end up paying Wilshere down the road to keep him away from the filthy hands of other clubs.
Supporters cry out “spend some fucking money” don’t always consider the wage implications imo and this is where the misconception begins. The two are not mutually exclusive but often go hand in hand in an overall package. Perhaps this is why we always fail to sign the experienced quality we need and negotiations are often protracted or seem to break down at some point. It’s the damn wages, not just valuation fee!
Imo you can’t go screaming your lungs out asking for transfer spending on the one hand, while on the other, refuse to blame the board for being ‘small time’ with their wage offers but readily castrate players for being greedy mercs when much better offers are available elsewhere. That’s just convenient double standards to suit our slant on the issue. If we want the club to spend big like others, we must be prepared to accept that our wages need to be adjusted to commensurate with the ‘market rate’ elsewhere!
So really the wantaways are just reinforcing their status as miserable losers by running away from a challenge they can't handle and onto something they perceive as easier? I like Jack, I like RvP, maybe Ramsey who hasn't really been tarnished by this mob yet. The rest of them, or some of them at least, I dislike as much as any Utd or Chelski player. Never felt that way before about an Arsenal team. Maybe it's the stench of losing, most of them are drenched in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
No, but you can just generally loathe the greedy little shits for taking such a huge chunk out of a game that thrives on passion, the team, the history but which they are happy to ignore in favour of me-me-me (and my shitbag agent). We're loyal to the club as fans, the players are loyal to nobody (not even when they're paid more in a week than most of us get in a year). Why don't we all pick up sticks and support whoever happens to be on top at any given time? The clubs and the greedy little runts in the team wouldn't appreciate that from the fans, would they? Yet they are happy to do it to the fans having taken the fans' money. This game's dying, mostly because of unrestrained greed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Ghel