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Shit result. That is only QPR's 3rd win in 18 games.
We weren't going to win every single remaining game of course, but it's very disappointing to see us beaten by such a poor team.
A reminder that there is still a lot of work to be done if we want 3rd.
Was not a very nice watch. Reminiscent of a few god awful away days. I am sensing a new Joker thread related to RVP's miss.
Ramsey playing from the left??? Then bringing on a useless Gervinho in his place when Oxlade Chamberlain should have come on? To top it all off, he brings on Chamakh who has done next to nothing all season.
We've had a decent run of results recently but this is more like the sort of performance we've come to expect this season. Absolutely listless and pathetic.
No question about it, Wenger needs to leave at the end of the season. The squad is not good enough, you could tell that by the substitutions we made today.
Zamora shat on us again. Vermaelen was all over the place again.
It's worrying because the formula QPR showed today is easily replicated for the pub teams.
not exactly a surprise is it?
rvp looks knackered because he's carried half the shite in our team for 8 months. who do we have off the bench to make an impact? chamakh? park? :lol:
its games like these squad depth actually means something. unfortunately because of wengers massive fuck up at the start of the season we are suffering.
nevertheless we must move on and see this as a minor blip.
Pathetic performance and tactics.
Wenger needs to leave at the end of the season, he's simply a low quality manager these days. It's easy to look a good manager when we win 3-0 against a Villa side that didn't turn up, but today was the sort of occasion when managers need to earn their stripes. He still hasn't learnt that playing square pegs in round holes DOESN'T work. Why the fuck is he playing Ramsey from the left????! And why rely on Gervinho who needs to be sold in the summer and has been a massive disappointment?
No such thing as a minor blip with us. Confidence was sky high now it's probably on the floor, again.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
thats true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
and it stems down from the manager being mentally weak.
we will never win another trophy under wenger. its as simple as that.
cant wait til he's gone.
I'm not joking when I say some of the posters on GW could do a better job tactically than Wenger these days. The man is clueless.
1 word....WengerOut
Vermaelan was poor, but the entire left wing was the worst. There were no contribution from Gibbs and Ramsey.
QPR tactics was easy, they disrupted our midfield and closed down our right hand channel. We were playing 4-3-3 formation but our midfielders dont have the wide players on the left to pass to, making every pass so easy to read.
Wenger has quick players in Oxo, Gerv and Benayoun, use them!
Definitely. He gets paid millions a year to come out with genius decisions like playing Ramsey from the left :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGooner
I won't be too dark on the result, well, give it an hour or so due to winning the last seven but it was just very 05/06+06/07y.
Have we ever managed to salvage a result when Chamakh is brought on?
Don't know about anyone else but as soon as he takes the field, I give up hope.
His greatest moment was the Blackburn header.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
We lost. :rose:
Didn't watch the game, I was too lazy to get upstairs to the computer. Saw Ramsey played today, Wenger should just forget about him for the rest of this season.
Shit player
It's a desperation move really. He is by trade a striker so he gets thrown on merely because we're losing despite never even coming close to scoring a goal. Stupid that he's the next viable striker, at least Torres is very good as a link man these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Poor result, but we all knew we loose at one point. No one was good enough today. not sure if it was tiredness due to the run or not, but we need to be better than that.
Like someone said lots of work to be done if they want 3rd.
But what happed has happend on to city we go.
Nope, can't remember the last time we won with him on the pitch tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
As bad as some of Wenger's decisions were, the game was lost because of two embarrassing Vermaelen errors, and RVP missing a sitter at the other end. The poor passing, control and all-round sloppiness was not just because Ramsey was playing. It was almost as bad the performance in Milan. The pitch was awful, but that can't be an excuse for failing at all the basics. QPR worked hard, but the goals were gifted.
But yes, starting Ramsey on the left and belated and odd substitutions were classic WUMger. No-one comes out with credit today apart from Koscielny, and perhaps Szczesny for a good save at the end.
Positive results in the next few games and we can consign this to a bad day.
would make sense if thats why we lost, maybe if TV5 had not been so poor and RVP put his sitter away we may have won that game. But AW silly tactic did not help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
The lack of creativity from midfield is another problem. Why is Song the only one attempting to make penetrative passes? He's the defensive midfielder, and although he's capable, this is not meant to be his primary role. This is why I wouldn't be opposed to starting AOC as part of a central 3 from now on.
And the RVP chance wasn't even a sitter tbh. I'm not one of his biggest fans but he had to hit it from outside the area because he lacks the pace to get away from the defender. Apart from that we barely created a chance.
Absolutely shocking performance,poor all over the pitch,no guts desire or balls,looked like a side that thought all they had to do was turn up,QPR wanted it more and it showed.No answer from our master tactican either on how to deal with a pub team.:censored:
It's weird, most shit strikers will still score now and then and at least get into good areas for chances (regardless of game time they recieve), Chakma on the other hand is never involved in anything. I'd rather just let Vermaelen go mental and bomb forward if we need a goal rather than bring him on.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
I will be staggered if we don't sell this guy in the summer. Such a fraud.
Fair play, still you'd back him to score it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
No he isn't. Try watching sometime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Vermaelan was poor, but he could have done better with some help from Gibbs or Ramsey. As I said previously, out left wing didnt exist today.They were just two players in red shirt but did nothing for over 90 minutes. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
I did watch the game and I know what I saw. Arteta is too conservative and Rosicky's more of a ball carrier rather than able to make eye-of-a-needle passes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Eh? I'm saying Song isn't the defensive midfielder. Hasn't been for ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
These are the classic games that make many of us believe we can never win anything again under Wenger. A game like this against a team full of grafters managed by known clunkhead. Wenger never gets his tactics right whenever confronted by brute force. He seems to tell his boys to just get out there and play your game. QPR were hustling all over the pitch and whenever they did lose the ball they would simply dive and the shithead ref would give them the free. In this situation you need to show that you wont be bullied and get your tactics spot on for the first 45 at least, dont let them score.... . However our lightweight midfield of Song rosicky and Arteta are never up for a fight, and Vermaelen chose today to have another mindless match.
You need to prepare the team for the specific challenge they will face in each match. but it seems like we never do. I recall a few seasons ago, away to Stoke, the very first Delap throw in the very first minute......goal. Wenger wont win shit because he never buys the right sort of players and never imbues the ones he has with the right mentality. He will see us in 3-4 maybe 5-6 for the next decade but we stll wont have any silverware to show for it.
Problem is...if we dont look like we are improving, the new players that will make the quantum leap for us will never want to come and the few we need to keep will insist on leaving.
What ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Global means league positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
I knew Wenger would start fucking it up once he had players available for selection. I put our recent good run of form down to Rosicky being played in the centre and Ox playing on the left. It's the right balance. Ramsey shouldn't be playing and as soon as he was made available for selection, I knew Wenger would start him again. I don't rate Wenger as a manager these days because this is the sort of shit he does when he has the options. By chance, he stumbled upon Rosicky and even though he was off today as I've heard, he's a natural central player and it took injuries and Wenger having no other central option to discover that. After all these years!
Ramsey on the left? Come on man! It doesn't take a genius to see that he'd flop at that sort of role. Our resurgence was down to the players feeling stung by the Milan result and it hurt their pride. Had nothing to do with any team talk or tactics, it was just down pride and the bad press written about their performance in Milan. But as soon as people starts waxing lyrical about our new found confidence, these muthafukaz start smelling themselves and believing their on BS. It happens all the time. QPR! How low can we sink? The team were on a high and full of confidence yet we can still pull off shock results like this. There is no new found grit or steel in this team. We saw this earlier this season and as warned, you can't judge this team off the back of a good run. Same story and we will continue to throw away results when we're expected to win. Back against the wall and then maybe they'll turn up. Losers.
Letters I wish u started ur poll now rather than before... :LOL:
Didnt watch the game, didnt listen to it either.
Havent seen the goals its unlikely i will watch MOTD
All i have to say on this is 2 things
Welcome back Arsenal
And
Wenger Out
The pressure is on and we cant win. Story of Wengers existence
Also how typical is it of us to concede 2 goals to two players who havent scored all season and in one case, hasnt scored for QPR at all :lol:
Wengers commentsQuote:
on the performance…
It is very frustrating because they left us the ball and waited for our mistakes. We took the ball, did not do a lot with it and made the mistakes. At the end of the day that made the result.
Our performance was not good enough to win this kind of game, especially in the duels. They had a little bit of extra special commitment that took advantage of us in some specific positions defensively. Overall we can only congratulate QPR for their attitude and be unhappy with our own performance
on the surprise nature of the defeat…
Any bad performance you can see coming. Each football game is a new start. It is not what you have made before that decides the game, it is what you produce on the day. And what we produced on the day was not good enough.
on the pitch…
The pitch is not smaller than any other pitch. The pitch was bad but it does not explain our performance. We did not create enough to win a football game.
on errors at the back…
I do not want to single anyone out but of course we made defensive mistakes. It is a good shock to come back to what has made our strength recently. Subconsciously something was missing today. In the Premier League, if you miss something on the commitment front you are beaten. That is what happened today.
on possible complacency…
It is difficult to single out one reason but why not? We played against a team who play for survival. We prepared properly but we missed something today and you could see that. Their keeper made a good save.
on the conceded goals…
We lost a game when our keeper had nothing to do. It is the first time this season, we were too open when we had the ball.
on the response…
We know how to respond, we have been exposed to this situation this season. We have a good opportunity on Sunday but it will be needed after giving away the points today.
Clichy will score a fifty-yarder next week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
He will also put in a decent cross.
Hasnt Clichy already scored for them?
We'll lose that game but i as always will look on the brightside and it will be good to see Clichy, Toure and especially Nasri come home
How they are missed