(Except for that bastard Fergie).
Would you swap Wenger for any other manager in the Prem?
Would any other manager in the world get our squad higher than 3rd?
Kinda makes you think that he's not that shit after all.
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(Except for that bastard Fergie).
Would you swap Wenger for any other manager in the Prem?
Would any other manager in the world get our squad higher than 3rd?
Kinda makes you think that he's not that shit after all.
Only Fergie is better than him in the Prem. He probably would have won something with this lot in the past 7 years.
He's not a shit manager by any stretch and it's ridiculous to suggest so. The issue is whether he is good enough to win trophies in the current footballing climate, and of course the next step for the club is to land some silverware.
It goes;
Fergie
Wenger
Everyone else.
The idea that Wenger is a bumbling idiot and anyone could walk in and we'd be winning trophies left, right and centre is laughable.
In the Premier League? Probably not, right now anyway (save for Ferguson of course). I wouldn't mind taking a chance on either Brendan Rodgers or Paul Lambert after he goes though, both of those have taken the time to learn things from playing or coaching in other countries.
I wouldn't say getting us to third is a better achievement than Paul Lambert taking Norwich to the top half after two successive promotions though but third is the best we could have hoped for given how things started off. I'd have liked us to have done more in the FA Cup but maybe that would've contributed to halting our league form.
Yeah Lambert has done an amazing job, manager of the year for sure. Someone young and with the right philosophy would be ideal for us after Wenger goes, Rogers and Lambert both fit the bill.
Has Rodgers coached in another country? Not according to Wiki, unless you're counting Wales! Not quite convinced yet. David Moyes has consistently been the only PL manager I'd be happy to see taking over from Arsenal, but I wouldn't swap Arsene for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Yeah, he has. Not with a club but he has been there and learnt things, he said he learnt from Barcelona when he was travelling in Spain (he said all this on Goals on Sunday not so long ago).Quote:
Originally Posted by cricketsi
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
Yes
Not that shit but a bit shit and a bit shit isnt good enough for Arsenal
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straight to the point as usual
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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Pah. I remember George Burley finishing 5th with Ipswich in his first season after getting promoted. Look how that turned out.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Brendan Rodgers is typical newbie hype. Swansea played that style before Rodgers turned up. Let's see how he does next season. All this fancy tippy tappy football with no end product reminds me of another team who, up until recently, were lauded for playing the most attractive football in the land. That soon turned in to "all possession no end product/no plan B/haven't won anything etc".
Paul Lambert though is an interesting one. Certainly done an excellent job. Worth keeping an eye on him.
Sure but I've already said I wouldn't swap Wenger and Rodgers right now, Rodgers is still finding his way and isn't in to his 40's yet. I know Martinez was the guy who 'started' that style at Swansea but Rodgers got them in to the Premier League (granted Martinez got them promoted from League One).Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
We haven't failed to win trophies because of that style of football, surely it is the mental aspect that has been key? In any case, whatever our 'style' is now we haven't won anything again so what difference does it make whether it's 'tippy tappy' or kick and rush? For me, it's the style of football that once you have the right players for, is very difficult to get the better of, especially in a league where that style would not be the norm.
Anyway, I hear Rodgers talk about football and I'm impressed. In the same way I was impressed when I hear Wenger talk about football too. The main point I was making is that in the future there could well be viable alternatives from this league.
Song is always an option if Wenger goes.
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Lambert has something about him I don't see in rodgers. Rodgers fells like a flash in the pan but Lambert looks like he could do well at a club like us, Liverpool or spurs. I think he has more potential than Moyes. But I'm probably wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
2nd best after Fergie tbh depiste some posters calling him rubbsish past it etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
Had it not been for our bad start we still be up there and even though we have not won nout for 7 seasons we have had the palyers to do it,
The stability and exprience he brings is vital tbh.
Martinez is free this summer apparently after he decided not to renew his contract.
He plays good football.
Get him in
Wenger being the second best manager in the league after Ferguson was never in doubt but he shouldn't be applauded for this season and its not finished yet. If Pardew get fourth with Newcastle without a doubt he should be manager of the season.
Off on a tangent here (CK :bow:) but it would be funny as fuck if Newcastle get 4th and Pardew gets the England job meaning Harrys and Spuds collapse was all for nothing
Would you swap Wenger for any other manager in the Prem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
I'd swap him for Fergie, nobody else.
Would any other manager in the world get our squad higher than 3rd?
Fergie would, Mourinho, possibly Hiddink, I even think Klopp maybe able to.
This, and this is why fans are frustated, some feel he can be doing better instead of Settling for CL footie etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by latewinner
You have to give him credit for this season though, after the sunderland game he could havetold these lot not to worry th is ok etc and be done but they fought and look to finish strong. from where we were you had loads who said we been relegated and sillyness like that never gave us a chance.
Fergie sureQuote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Mourinho no chance. I said "current squad" not "current squad and open chequebook".
Hiddink did well with a brilliant Chelsea team. A team full of winners. It's a possibility like you say but worth replacing Wenger for him?
Klopp I know nothing about.
Hey Charlie, I gave him credit for the turnaround but not the season, he caused this mess so he was the one who should have got us out of it and to be fair he has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
For me he's still very much on trial.
To be fair Mourinho's reputation of being a "chequebook" manager is slightly unfair, he did very well in Portugal prior to coming to Chelsea with a fairly limited budget. I don't like Mourinho as a person but rate him as probably the 2nd best Manager in World Football. Chequebook or not he can mould a team into winners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
No way id swap him for anyone in the prem apart from fergie and maybe AVB in a few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
The rest would not be good enough to take us where we want to be.
AW has never been Shit, thats just something to make the doom and gloom mongers feel better.
Not only is Wenger the best manager in the PL but he's also the greatest person to grace the earth.
Wenger
God
everyone else.
Kudos to you and id agree, imo he has to prove to me he is still the right man lol, but he hasto take the blame even some for why we are this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Porto were already the biggest club in Portugal when he took over weren't they? (I genuinely don't know) They were bloody lucky to knock Manure out of the Champs Lge. He still did an amazing job with them - no doubt. He's also an amazing manager. He's made great personal moves though (Chelsea - very good team and unlimited budget, Inter were champions when he took over weren't they?, Madrid....I admit finishing above that Barca team would be some achievement but being able to spend £80m on one player does help.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
You change your line of thinking more times than Letters says "...that Wenger is some kind of bumbling idiot..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
:haha:
But fortunately not as many times as he says "But we'll see".
:lol:
Letterisms :bow:
Why does it have to be this squad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
I have never said AW is not to blame or that he does not have to prove to the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
But it does not mean i can't be optimisic going into the new season.
Mourinho is the greatest manager ever in my opnion. He's a freak.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Pomp. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Ceremony. :bow:
Wouldnt say ever but he is damn good and comfortably pisses on WengerQuote:
Originally Posted by latewinner
Sorry meant, He is not to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Isnt that what you said anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner