Thought I'd post this up to see what the consensus is.....
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Thought I'd post this up to see what the consensus is.....
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he's a kent
Think a few things, money, posistion maybe he looks around the dressing room and seen alll his mates gone. He may noy feel he has that special bond with this sqaud like he did with the last one.
You could tell he was more happy with the likes of Eboue etc. Then again maybe he knows he has to be serious and the days of jokes are over.
Both
Could be other though
He might not want to sign unless he gets assurances we dont keep selling our best players every summer, that we actually spend more than 20p to improve the squad etc etc
I voted for both
Maybe he's upset how he was treated by the fans last season.
Both I reckon.
We're in the waiting period.
Yeah, the way they sang his name loudly even when he was a bit shit was disgraceful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
For the most part, he is loved by the fans at the stadiums. His name is regularly sung. Sure some do get frustrated at times but thats the same for any player
Doubt he cares about what a couple of Internet warriors think
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Originally Posted by Letters
Hence the word maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
This is a new one.
Bit of both really. I think he believes he's in a position now to command top wages, relative to his teammates who are maybe being paid more than their contribution is actually worth.
It's a status thing, there's no difference between 75k and 100k to us, but to him it's like saying you're a bit-part player who'll be used sparingly or we value you as a key player now.
Wenget clearly doesn't rate him IMO which I think is a shame.
I don't believe he is stalling at all.
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We assume he makes his own decisions and is not just blindly following the advice of self-interested agents. We also assume these players could give a shit about the club and the fans and I see nothing at all to suggest this assumption is warranted. The fans are the wages, the club the vehicle. Of course the example is set from the top and who can imagine a greedier collection of ****s than those who own and run Arsenal? I voted money because I don't think the 0.0000001% that might be related to other matters is significant.
the whole plan is revealed
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Those are my thoughts too. Wenger won't play him in his preferred position, has frozen him out of the team this year, he obviously feels he has better players ahead of him. He's bought Podolski, Gervinho and Ox over the past couple of seasons. He's also bough Gnarby and has talked up his potential. Theo is already in a battle with Ox for England international duties and probably feels unwanted by his club and manager. He signs on for this deal he could end up on the bench as for sort of right winger nobody wants and it would be a real struggle to find another top club that would play him as a striker. It's now or never.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
He was hoping his best mate rvc was gonna go to man shitty, so he would be able to follow him there, sadly for him he went to united instead and I don't think sir twat wanker would want him, after all he's getting Whilshere next year anway.
So right now
9 people say money
1 person says Position
6 people say Little bit both
2 people say other.
I'll do some more updates. well i guess when we get a few more.
Because he won't sign a new deal, not because he don't rate him. Wenger probs does not rate him, but i think thats a diffrent issue to why he is not playing now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
As for the England thing, thats down to the england manager to sort out. If Roy don't play him as a striker for the national team he has his reasons.
Or people can just look at the top?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
What did you vote for anyway?
Voted for Other as my 1st pots cleay indicates no just both but more reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Do you think it would be a good idea to play Theo up top and construct the team around him? And then watch him walk out the door? Why is it Wenger that has frozen Walcott out? Why not look at it as Walcott having frozen himself out with his demands? When he could be playing instead of Gervinho. Walcott is either the thickest footballer alive today or has the thickest advisor alive today. He can go and take what he wants, right now. Sign a contract, wait a couple of weeks for Gervinho to completely fuck it up, move into his slot (just as Wenger says will happen), make himself invaluable and get his fucking money. That's what a smart guy would do. And a smart manager would say you;re either with us or somewhere else and until that's determined sit your arse on the bench because the long term future of the team takes precedence over the wishes of a single wantaway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
But he's signed other wingers, strikers and is only offering Walcott squad money. The fact that Wenger has frozen out one of our best performers from the squad for so long suggests he thinks he's replaceable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
How much of this is a dance for the benefit of the fans anyway? The usual questions - why did we let the contract run so late without renewal? Why won't Walcott commit? It's convenient, isn't it? If the plan is to let Walcott go. More money for Theo, more money for the board's balance sheet. It always turn out to be a loss for the fans though? Pure coincidence no doubt. And both sides get to play the victim and provided you can split the fans one way or the other you can survive the criticism. We all heard PHW, thanks for our interest in affairs that don't concern us.
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Completely agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Wenger hasn't played Walcott up front at all over the last few years so why would he sign a new deal and then take Wenger's word for it? That would be thick. He's already lost his England International spot to Ox and people keep assuming he's a winger and in a few years time, he could end up like Arshavin or Chamkah. A bench player. If Wenger had any intention of playing Theo up front, he wouldn't have bought Giroud and he's been quick to give Gervinho his chance. Walcott could wait for Gervinho to fuck up but Giroud would be next in line and then Podolski, then Chamakh. Walcott is way down the pecking order to play that role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
He has no faith him and Wenger doesn't sound in a hurry to play him up top. A smart guy would run his contract down and find a club willing to play him up top and develop him as a striker.
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
And they say Gnabry on what - 15K a week? (anyone know?) - is the next big thing? They said they were going to slash the wage bill. They may be congratulating themselves on delivering yet another self interested promise. £100K player, a couple of years in the squad, a few headlines, £10mill transfer as soon as the first wage demands come in.
Little bit lacking oil.
So we should only have one striker and that should be Theo Walcott? Then he would be happy? RvC left, Chamakh is a mega flop, why wouldn't the club sign Giroud? You speak as if Walcott has some sort of automatic entitlement the club has scandalously dishonoured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
where else is he gonna go to play as striker? pool moving suarez out to the wing? replacing rooney, rvp and hernandez at utd? taking the sole responsibility of chelseas financial commitments to the team, taking over aguero, balo, dzeko or tevez? replacing defoe and ade across the road in north london? shifting out ba and cisse from newcastle?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
everton and wba won't be paying much but i guess they can develop him in to a 10+ prem striker.
How often did Walcott play last season? So why would he suddenly be down the pecking order now? Leaving aside the glaringly obvious reason of him refusing to sign a contract, I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Lets be honest everyone asscoicated with football are all in it for themselves. None of the give a shit about the fans. Not managers no, players and deffo not board members, Its been that way for a long time now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Their all ****s.
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
@Terry and Niall
Wenger hasn't once used Theo as a striker even when we've had a crisis with our strikers or in cup games. If you listen to Wenger's interviews, he keeps saying Walcott's future is as a striker. A distant future. Where else is Walcott gonna get to play as striker? I don't know, but his agent can find that out and he'll have the legal right to discuss it with as many clubs as possible come January if Wenger doesn't offer some real assurance. Fact is, if the club rated him, they wouldn't be adopting such an approach. Slow to initiate talks and making a take it or leave it ultimatum. Actions speaker louder then words. May be foolish of Theo to try his chances elsewhere but there is nothing worse than feeling as if you weren't given a proper shot to prove yourself.
i know all of that but there also has to be more some element of trust between the two after working together for 7 years and i'm sure if theo left it wouldn't be under a cloud, he would be all sweetness and light.
but look at the market. there is nowhere for him to go as a striker apart from chancing it here and as i mentioned earlier in the thread, he's not exactly going to be trapped is he. spend another year, nothing changes, stamp his little feet and wenger will let him go as usual.
He's being a dick. This is his biggest chance ever. Just look at how crap we are up front. He should at least get back in there and give it a shot, it's not like he's an old man. And the fans will soon forget all this if he gets back on the pitch and starts to play well. It will be the fans that propel him into that front spot of Gervinho keeps up his antics. We have ONE viable striker at the moment now that Theo has taken himself out of the action. This is why I really doubt his motives. Here's his chance, take the fucking money on offer and win the striker's spot off (let's face it) pretty limited competition. Any player with an ounce of ambition would relish the opportunity. This is why I say it is about the money. Useless fucks like Gareth Barry are on 100K a week and Theo's slimy agent has probably told him that's the going rate, performance or no performance. Theo should sack his agent and jump in with both feet and finally deliver on that potential he has promised for so long. That's the way for him to go, he could own the striker's role for years - if he can actually walk the walk as well as talk the talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Not that it would do us any good because the ****s in the boardroom would be on the phone in minutes flogging him around the place for a fat transfer fee.
If he stays another year and so he could lose his place out on the wing, his stock could plummet and he'd have more mileage on the clock. He's 23 now and that's still young enough for someone to stick him up front and develop him as a top striker. As Theo said, Henry was playing as a striker at this age. I can't see anyone taking a risk on Theo to play up front when he's 25 and trying to develop him. Look how much criticism he gets on here and what a lot of the pundits have said that have stuck. It's taken people a few years just to admit that his off the ball runs are good and that he's a natural finisher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Van Pursestrings hasn't done too badly as a late developer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
if he signs a contract, he'll play a lot more than he is now - wenger likes him but is showing tough love now. he has racked up more than enough appearances and his stats will ensure he is the prime wide man on most occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
there is nowhere bar a huge drop down the league for him to go - unless he wants to take several steps back in terms of playing time to become a bit part striker in a big team, its midtable or bust.