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Personally, I'd go with the Carling Cup. Our players seem to have a loser mentality, and Wenger's forgotten what's really important in football. Perhaps winning the League Cup will give our players the necessary experience of winning a trophy, and we can kick on from there.
Owen Coyle
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Originally Posted by Ach
In response to the poll, 4th place over the League Cup is a no brainer really.
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Originally Posted by Joker
both are as bad as each other in a way. win the league cup and no CL, we wont sign anyone decent. just look at liverpool. winning a trophy would be great dont get me wrong, however is it worth it if we end up doing a liverpool. in the grand scheme of things no. with getting top four, we are more liekly to get better players in to challenge for bigger things ( :haha: )
however with getting top four, it does cement loser mentality and means as a club we are drifting even further.
basically either one doesnt really help us, but because i want trophy again its the league cup
No reason why we cant do both
But if i had to choose one
COC for sure
but we don't sign decent players anyway, might as well go for a league cupQuote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Silly poll, no option to see Kroenke being wiped out by a missile strike. Won't vote until the poll is fixed.
we do sign decent players, thats a stupid statement to make. cazorla, podolski are very good players. its just whether we sign the right decent players in the right positions that is questionalbleQuote:
Originally Posted by Dicks and chicks
podolski has had a good few games but isn't proven at a big club that he can cut the mustard, cazorla will leave in a few seasons, we have signed a lot of average players last few transfer windowsQuote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
podolski has 100 caps and 50 goals for germany by the age of 27. that makes him very decent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicks and chicks
yes cazorla will probs leave as will most of them but we do sign decent players. mertesacker, arteta, last year, its just we dont seem to sign decent players in the positions we need
Why can't we aim for both?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Last season id have said league cup, this season if its a choice between the too id say 4th place.
why are they mutually exclusive at arsenal football club? if you get paid £7m a year, is giving a domestic cup competition a serious go too much to ask for?
Since we put up so little resistance when our players want to leave, and since we don't tend to buy players of top tier quality, it's difficult to see how losing CL revenues would make things worse - but, it definitely would. We'd just decline faster into a mid-table (or worse) team. The idea that we need a shock (of missing out on CL qualification) to spring the board into action - it's all garbage. Nothing's going to change on that front.
The league cup was considered a trophy so beneath us that we wouldn't even spit on it. But, right now, I think a good cup run would be a good distraction and very enjoyable for the fans. We're 4 games away from winning the competition - I think we should go all out for it. I don't think it's a major achievement but, as I said, it'd be fun.
Not in a mood to choose, I say we get them both.
Spot on, we should be aiming to win the COC, but seeing how pool are struggling without the CL footie, we lose that, we'll be even further behind. It won't be Wenger losing his millions or the board it will be us who lose again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
The fact this thread was even made shows how far we have sunk as a club.
If it's ever going to improve under Wenger, we need to be in the CL.
Winning the League Cup would certainly bring a feel good factor around the place but I guarantee we the fans would sorely miss CL football and hate watching on from the outside.
Spot on MO
having said that maybe its better to start with the basics with this squad.
we have absolutely no winning mentality and the players are completely devoid of any trophy winning spirit. maybe we should go back to the basics, try and win the FA cup and league cup in order to instill some sort of belief, then go for the league? every year we put all our eggs in one basket and go for the league but fall short by some distance.
we're trying to topple mount everest when we should be trying to topple mount fuji first.
There is a good chance that Arsenal could win the COC should things fall into place and you get the requisite luck. Of course these competitions should not be mutually exclusive. COC has only had two games so far, one more takes you into the semis having only played the second string. And it's done with by February. Obviously, we've been through this before where things have fallen into place, only to dramatically shit ourselves at the final hurdle. If you're talking a choice between the two, then yeah 4th. But I don't think anyone would mind the feel-good factor of the COC as well.
having said that it would mean holding onto our squad more than the pitiful 2 seasons we seem to manage at the moment. no good winning domestic cups then trying to go for the league only for players to f off after we've won the fa cup.
I'm fairly sure I would not watch the CL if we weren't involved. I can't be arsed most of the time when we go out in the 2nd round anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
There's no reason why we can't challenge for 4th and win the League Cup though, it should never be a case of one or the other. We can and should be looking to achieve both.
Becasuse none have won any. Well accept Giroud and maybe Poldi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
I'd rather we lift the COC. And then go on to finish fourth.
Also one of the reasons our players fuck off more than most is because we don't even appear to be close to winning a trophy. If we had bagged a couple of domestic cups in recent seasons then maybe that would plant a seed in the players mind and they'd be more encouraged to commit.
Carling Cup.
What's the point in entering CL without a hope in hell of winning it? We sell our best players every season even if we do finish 4th so it's not like the money we recoup from CL is properly invested in the team anyway.
I'd rather see the likes of Jenko, Gibbs & Wilshere happy and proud lifting a trophy than finish 4th if I'm honest.
8 years after the untouchables season never thought we would have this discussion
Ask a Liverpool fan.
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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
We won't improve under Wenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
It would be good for a manager to have the chance to take over with us in the CL though, with Wenger in charge it's meaningless however, we don't really sign top notch players, will never challenge for it.
The CL is actually holding us back in a way because all we're really interested in is 4th place, if there were only 2 places available we'd have to try a bit harder.
Makes no diffrence if the board only care about money, The team will be worse off, even worse then it is today.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
There was a time when Wenger said we were challenging for 4 trophies, how things have changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Ironically in those days there were actually more games in the CL as there were 2 group stages (the year Man U won the treble they got through two group stages and still managed to win 3 trophies).
They do, but it's the fans that allowing them to get away with it, if people actually voted with their feet things would change quicksmart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
That will never happen of course, today's away fans kinda showed that, it does at other clubs but not at Arsenal.
Now were challenging for 5 :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Maybe just maybe cause their fans and love to support the club, not the people who run it the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
and they're not at other clubs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
If you want change you can't blindly follow everyone else like a lemming you have to do something to try and change stuff, not turning up and putting money in the club coffers is the only way.
Yep worked at Blackburn the fans marching to get rid of keane, worked at Old traffoed the fans trying to protest with the green and yellow scarfes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Like Terry says maybe you should actually go to a game before you insult the fans who do.
Our away fans are awesome, just as SWAYR.
Fans of any tema go to support the club. The fans who don't want to be there are the ones who don't go.
I can't see how winning the League Cup means we'd have to sacrifice 4th.
We only have to finish above Spurs FFS.
I say fuck off the Champs Leg cos we're never going to win that. Instead we should 100% be playing our strongest team in the League Cup now. I can understand prioritising the League and Champs Lge when you have a chance of winning them but we don't.
why does it have to be one of the other? why not both? granted, we won't get fourth this season but still, a cup and fourth should've been possible by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
who has done that?Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Done what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz