Wenger Out?

Do you still want Wenger out? We were pretty much all on the same page about this in the summer but I honestly don't know any more.

Özil was a great signing and maybe shows a corner turned in terms of our transfer policy and after the first day it's been a fantastic start to the season. Concerns remain about our squad depth though and over a long hard season I think it will be found wanting unless we make some signings in January.

He's clearly not the idiot some have made him out to be but he has been (until the Özil signing) hopelessly out of touch with the modern game and transfer market. We've lost the edge we had when he first came and his knowledge of the European game and training methods was unsurpassed.

This long without a trophy isn't good enough for a club of our stature but we do seem to be moving in the right direction now and changing manager would probably see us lose momentum.

In brief...Wenger in?

Anyone who wanted Wenger out are fucking morons, I certainly didnt. Wenger out, who in? It would be Arsenal F.C suicide to sack Wenger. So shortsighted. He will leave when he wants and this season is very promising so no-one should want him out
now.

He shouldn't be given a contract until the end of the season.

The signs are positive, but lets wait until we have a bad patch and see how he, and the team react.

Injuries are pretty bad at the moment, but we have been especially unlucky this early in the campaign.

That said, we should have signed a striker, and if he doesn't buy in that position in January, I think questions will again have to be asked.

Well signing Özil and recovering so well from the Villa game doesn't rewrite history, but I think I'm feeling more hopeful now than at any point in recent memory. Happy to see how things pan out but still wary about what lies ahead because we've had enough false dawns to last a lifetime.

Wenger in...for now.

I should add, that I am not suprised we're playing well, and getting results.

He's a very good manager. The question has always been, has he outstayed his welcome and gone stale.

Infuriating as he can be, I still love him to bits, and would love to see him guide us to some silverware again.

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no hes the best manager ever


but seriously. he gets this season, confidence is high etc so no point sacking him or announcing he is leaving until the very end. dont want that hanging over us. but he doenst deserve a new contract as yet. compared to after teh villa game, he is a lot closer to a new contract but still not quite ready for it. if by march/april we are seriously challenging, maybe even won the carling cup, then yes give him a new 2/3 year deal.

in terms of the team. last seaon there was a noticed new ruthlessness about wenger. just look at vermaelen. no sympathy, he wasnt playing well so he just dropped him. this season too, hes been quite ruthless. changing the team when needed. in 2013, we have taken more points then anyone else, ten away wins in a row. 6 clean sheets, 4 goals conceded in that run. he is clearly doing somehting right and this team right now just seems to refuse to lose.
against spurs, it wasnt hanging on praying for the whistle to go, it was a standing there saying to spurs, we can do this all day, you wont score. we are going to beat to you.

does wenger deserve to go now? no. does he deserve a new contract? not yet. but if we are seriously challenging and have won a cup, by march/april then sign him up. in fact any trophy this season gets him a new contract, id probaly say if we make a final he gets it oo

A good start to a season changes very little at the moment. We've had positive spells before only to be completely let down. I still don't want him to sign a new contract, too much has happened to simply overlook. Let's get to march/april and see where we are.

However, if we come out the january window having addressed our issues with a top class striker, I will probably be back in the 'support wenger' camp. All we ever wanted was to address our issues and make an effort to compete, over the past few years we haven't. If they do that, I can't really complain.

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Originally Posted by The Ogg Monster

Anyone who wanted Wenger out are fucking morons

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

However, if we come out the january window having addressed our issues with a top class striker, I will probably be back in the 'support wenger' camp. All we ever wanted was to address our issues and make an effort to compete, over the past few years we haven't. If they do that, I can't really complain.

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Yep.

i think most fans, even those who do think wengers time is up, would love to see him and him alone, standing there with our next trophy above his head.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

i think most fans, even those who do think wengers time is up, would love to see him and him alone, standing there with our next trophy above his head.

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Exactly right.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

no hes the best manager ever


but seriously. he gets this season, confidence is high etc so no point sacking him or announcing he is leaving until the very end. dont want that hanging over us. but he doenst deserve a new contract as yet. compared to after teh villa game, he is a lot closer to a new contract but still not quite ready for it. if by march/april we are seriously challenging, maybe even won the carling cup, then yes give him a new 2/3 year deal.

in terms of the team. last seaon there was a noticed new ruthlessness about wenger. just look at vermaelen. no sympathy, he wasnt playing well so he just dropped him. this season too, hes been quite ruthless. changing the team when needed. in 2013, we have taken more points then anyone else, ten away wins in a row. 6 clean sheets, 4 goals conceded in that run. he is clearly doing somehting right and this team right now just seems to refuse to lose.
against spurs, it wasnt hanging on praying for the whistle to go, it was a standing there saying to spurs, we can do this all day, you wont score. we are going to beat to you.

does wenger deserve to go now? no. does he deserve a new contract? not yet. but if we are seriously challenging and have won a cup, by march/april then sign him up. in fact any trophy this season gets him a new contract, id probaly say if we make a final he gets it oo

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Spot on.

We have a good platform going into the january window. If they build on that with top quality signing(s), we can really push on and compete.

Signing players in january is crucial though, we can't retreat into a safe haven where we think nature will run its course and gift us a trophy just because we signed 1 world class player in the summer. That won't happen. We must now push forward and one part of that is getting into the cycle of buying players on a regular basis again.

It's way to early for this sort of thread.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It's way to early for this sort of thread.

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it is and it isnt. he is out of contract this season, its perfectly reasonable to discuss wether to give him a new one or not. with players, we hate it when they go into the final year, open talks two years before the end etc but why dont we with a manager?

I would dearly love to see that extactic smile on his face again.

No WUMger smile.

Just that "We just won the league at Old Trafford" smile.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It's way to early for this sort of thread.

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I don't see how there's any right or wrong time to have a debate about this sort of thing.
People's views about this will vary over time but for most of the summer there were very few people defending Wenger.
A very good signing and start to the season and that will clearly change people's opinions so I started the thread to find out where people were at right now.
It's pretty much the point of this place :shrug:

Wenger has been remiss in not strengthening the squad. It borders on dereliction of duty and also shows a level of borderline incompetence. In addition I question his business acumen and that of the executive team in wheeling and dealing for new players. It would seem that they are regarded as a soft touch by other clubs. Why do they leave things to the last minute? Close the deals early, that would make their lives and our lives far easier.

My jury on Wenger is still out and pondering.

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Originally Posted by LDG

I would dearly love to see that extactic smile on his face again.

No WUMger smile.

Just that "We just won the league at Old Trafford" smile.

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:gp: this.

there would be no greater sight in football this season then Arsene standing there with that trophy above his head, smiling as he knows he did it. and did it his way.

his way might have his flaws, it might drive us up the wall, but if he stands there with a trophy this season then the last 8 years will have been worth it. and as gary neville said, it would look like one of the greatest managerial performances to keep us in the top four every year. and then to win that trophy too.

My last Amazon purchase took too long to arrive - Wenger out!

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Originally Posted by Letters

I don't see how there's any right or wrong time to have a debate about this sort of thing.
People's views about this will vary over time but for most of the summer there were very few people defending Wenger.
A very good signing and start to the season and that will clearly change people's opinions so I started the thread to find out where people were at right now.
It's pretty much the point of this place :shrug:

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After two games, it's silly for anyone to have a firm stance on this. Ozil hasn't even played a home game yet. The team needs time and there is no fair way to assess the direction of the club at this point.

Pretty sure he'll go at the end of the season regardless of how we get on. He normally signs with at least a year or so to go. The easy thing for him would've been to sign a new contract now (or a couple of weeks ago) when the fans were delighted with the Ozil signing, and Ozil himself said that Wenger was the main reason he signed. We are also playing well right now (2nd in the table) and I think now would've been the best time to slip the news under the radar a little when games are coming thick and fast.

But he hasn't done that and I fully expect him to walk out at the end of the season. Go to PSG or Real Madrid or summat.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

After two games, it's silly for anyone to have a firm stance on this. Ozil hasn't even played a home game yet. The team needs time and there is no fair way to assess the direction of the club at this point.

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People had a firm enough stance after one game :shrug:

You're right to an extent of course but I thought it would be interesting to see how people's opinions had changed after the Özil signing and the good start to the season.

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Originally Posted by Letters

People had a firm enough stance after one game :shrug:

You're right to an extent of course but I thought it would be interesting to see how people's opinions had changed after the Özil signing and the good start to the season.

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Okay, Adrian Durham! After one game people wanted Wenger out.

Slow day, huh?

It's never to early for this thread considering the drought we have had for 7/8 years. Hell, I'd like to see him lift a trophy, but one top signing does not vindicate his poor management performance since our last trophy.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

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Yeah you were silly for thinking that, but I forgive you.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I don't see how there's any right or wrong time to have a debate about this sort of thing.
People's views about this will vary over time but for most of the summer there were very few people defending Wenger.
A very good signing and start to the season and that will clearly change people's opinions so I started the thread to find out where people were at right now.
It's pretty much the point of this place :shrug:

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Agree Letters that there's nothing wrong with debating this now although I disagree with your opinion on Wumger. He will always be seen as a legend in my eyes, he has helped transform this club into one of the finest in the world ( even with limited recent success on the pitch ) & we are envied by many ( especially the Spuds ). However the lack of new signings means that he is too naive to manage & have success in a league which unfortunatley is financially very different to when he 1st arrived & enjoyed success. We need a manager who can move with the times, not one that is stuck in time. There are now plenty of managers hell bent on playing the beautiful game a-la Barcelona but unless you are prepared to pay the money for the quality of the likes of Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc then it can't & won't happen.
Bayern dominate the German league because they buy the best players & pay the best wages. The same for Barca & Madrid. You will now see it with PSG in France. Man City did within 2 years of money arriving, what they couldn't do for 25 years. Chelsea the same.
Wumger won't have it & thinks he can compete on a different level. The last 8 years should be proof that he can't & the fact that we didn't buy at least 1 class striker in transfer window should be a sackable offence on its own.
He says he is concerned about the strength of his squad - who's fault is that.

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Originally Posted by The Ogg Monster

Yeah you were silly for thinking that, but I forgive you.

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There were plenty of rational reasons for wanting a change. The only morons are the militant fans who camp at one end of the spectrum.

I forgive you though.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

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saw it too. :lol:

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

i think most fans, even those who do think wengers time is up, would love to see him and him alone, standing there with our next trophy above his head.

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this bit. ^^^

It will take more than a few wins for me to forget some of the crap that has gone on over the last 5 years or so. The fact he has started to spend some money and admitted that he hadn't spent in the past because it wasn't there has calmed me down a bit.

It does feel good to be playing well/competing and to finally have some honesty coming out of the club but still to early for a new contract.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I don't see how there's any right or wrong time to have a debate about this sort of thing.
People's views about this will vary over time but for most of the summer there were very few people defending Wenger.
A very good signing and start to the season and that will clearly change people's opinions so I started the thread to find out where people were at right now.
It's pretty much the point of this place :shrug:

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Agree Letters that there's nothing wrong with debating this now although I disagree with your opinion on Wumger. He will always be seen as a legend in my eyes, he has helped transform this club into one of the finest in the world ( even with limited recent success on the pitch ) & we are envied by many ( especially the Spuds ). However the lack of new signings means that he is too naive to manage & have success in a league which unfortunatley is financially very different to when he 1st arrived & enjoyed success. We need a manager who can move with the times, not one that is stuck in time. There are now plenty of managers hell bent on playing the beautiful game a-la Barcelona but unless you are prepared to pay the money for the quality of the likes of Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc then it can't & won't happen.
Bayern dominate the German league because they buy the best players & pay the best wages. The same for Barca & Madrid. You will now see it with PSG in France. Man City did within 2 years of money arriving, what they couldn't do for 25 years. Chelsea the same.
Wumger won't have it & thinks he can compete on a different level. The last 8 years should be proof that he can't & the fact that we didn't buy at least 1 class striker in transfer window should be a sackable offence on its own.
He says he is concerned about the strength of his squad - who's fault is that.

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Originally Posted by Syn

Pretty sure he'll go at the end of the season regardless of how we get on. He normally signs with at least a year or so to go. The easy thing for him would've been to sign a new contract now (or a couple of weeks ago) when the fans were delighted with the Ozil signing, and Ozil himself said that Wenger was the main reason he signed. We are also playing well right now (2nd in the table) and I think now would've been the best time to slip the news under the radar a little when games are coming thick and fast.

But he hasn't done that and I fully expect him to walk out at the end of the season. Go to PSG or Real Madrid or summat.

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i think hes probably going to stay, purely because of what Ozil said. Arsene convinced him to come with one phone call, not just to sign either for a few years but a five year contract. suggests to me that Arsene has a plan, that is longer then one year.

I still want Wenger out based on what has gone on for the last many seasons... Do I want him to prove me wrong? Absolutely! There is no manager I'd like to prove me wrong and bring Arsenal back on top again. Do I think he has the ability to prove me wrong? Really not sure about this one... while Ozil's signing makes me think that the tide has changed, the thought of how threadbare our squad is, makes me think otherwise. Until and unless we are realistically challenging for honors come April, I'd like to reserve judgement on him.

Either way, he has got some respect back in my eyes by the signing of Ozil.. I despised everything about him till then. Makes you wonder how different things wouldve been if we got our signings in early and we had a positive atmosphere around the Emirates right from the beginning of the season. I cannot forget the negativity of everyone at the Emirates on match day v/s Villa... it was a poisonous atmosphere!

Why did Wenger buy Veron?

the villa game was horrrible. the atmosphere was awful, but right now it looks like a complete one off. take into the account the refereeing display it looks like we can write it off as a freak.


however your point about not getting the signings into before is correct. ill let the ozil one go as that was clear it was dependent on bale but should have got others in. even flamini would have been good against villa.

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Originally Posted by Syn

Pretty sure he'll go at the end of the season regardless of how we get on. He normally signs with at least a year or so to go. The easy thing for him would've been to sign a new contract now (or a couple of weeks ago) when the fans were delighted with the Ozil signing, and Ozil himself said that Wenger was the main reason he signed. We are also playing well right now (2nd in the table) and I think now would've been the best time to slip the news under the radar a little when games are coming thick and fast.

But he hasn't done that and I fully expect him to walk out at the end of the season. Go to PSG or Real Madrid or summat.

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I don't expect Wenger to leave after only having a year of coaching his record signing and a young squad. It would be odd anyway. By all accounts he's wanted Ozil for a number of years so I don't see that as some sort of present to the fans. I think this coming contract will be his last and probably take him to 2017.

I've not been a follower of Wengeroutism. There aren't many better managers out there, less available, and would we think the board would be able to find and sign one of them? It's very difficult. Who knows, Chips Keswick might be able to entice Guardiola but quite a few average managers have found themselves at big clubs recently.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It's way to early for this sort of thread.

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I disagree. There has been a palpable change in the mood of the fan base because it would appear we have turned a corner in terms of making full use of our resources.

I have wanted a managerial change for around 3 years. I don't want him out presently. I do however want to see what happens in the January window before making a call on whether he ought to be offered a new contract.

a poll wouldn't go amiss.....