That was unlucky. Fine margins, but they were always likely to decide some of these games. I don't see any reason why we can't claw points back in Dortmund or Naples.
Rosicky was very good.
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That was unlucky. Fine margins, but they were always likely to decide some of these games. I don't see any reason why we can't claw points back in Dortmund or Naples.
Rosicky was very good.
A setback, but hardly fatal.
Will be interesting to see how they deal with this - would have been nice to have a sterner test than Palace at the weekend.
Well that sucks. At least we're still top though currently. :lol:
It is a setback and it will be interesting to see how we deal with this.
Would be nicer to have a sterner test than Palace at the weekend as this has now become a no win game.
Again Wenger gets schooled by better tactics. He shouldn't be in any hurry to sign that new contract
Ref was shit, no balls, if Kos had made more of that flailing arm though it could have been so different, ho-hum.
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Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Dont care of the loss. Let's win the PL.
GB, thanks for the ticket to today's game ;)
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Gutted, thought we deserved at least a draw.
Everything to play for though, we all knew this group wasn't going to be a walk in the park.
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Originally Posted by fakeyank
Got Letters two tickets for this one.
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
On we go :scarf:
Hope we react like a wounded tiger and smash Palace to pieces on Saturday.
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Originally Posted by Steve French
Very unlucky, as we had those fuckers pegged back until they scored the winner against the run of play.
Nothing to be ashamed of, but our record at home against German teams is a bit worrying.
Ref was shit, something which I can never get used to.
Played ok today, but two defensive balls-ups in a tight game is fatal - undermined all the good work unfortunately.
I don't see us getting anything in Germany which means Napoli away is potentially make or break. It just shows what a tough group this is.
You learn more about team character after a defeat.
This is a wake up call for the team that for all their great performances against the very top teams you get punished in a flash.
We were desperately unlucky not to get a draw. They were second to almost every ball in the second half. Camorra coming on changed the game for us. What balance and vision. Stunning link up plays. Thought Rosicky was brilliant and in my opinion a natural in that centre mid role. I felt this game shows Arteta as an important cog. Also let's not forget our first goal was a mistake by Ramsey.
Ozil had his poorest game for us. Struggled to get into the game.
Giroud was brilliant in my opinion and you can see towards the end he is getting tired. We are missing our pace outlet. It takes time for us to get to the other end of here pitch whereas with Dortmund they had that outlet of pace needed.
Can't help but think we miss the energy that Flamini brings and the tempo he brings.
Anyway it will help bring the team back down to Earth and re focus them.
Yes Dortmund played well but we were desperately unlucky to lose.m
It was a well balanced game, Dortmund were just as strong as us. At the end it went down to who made the best out of opponent mistakes and they took theirs with both hands. I am confident we will qualify for the knockout stage. :coffee:
thought we deserved the win. lewandoski shouldnt have been on the pitch when he scored and no idea why ramseys goal was ruled out.
wenger wasnt schooled in tactics in either, two indivdual mistakes. ramsey for the first, and sagna for the second. no idea where he was then.
if we play like that against most sides we will win. time to move on, lots to take out of that game, like santi, arteta, rosicky and girouds performances. all were superb. luck wasnt on our side tonight
Not great result and if we don't get something in Dortmund, napoli is the last game.
We will space palace but against better sides need pace in side to stretch oppo.
Rozza should start in midfield ahead of Jack IMO, he a better all rounder and comfortable playing anywhere in that forward midfield role. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Darknight02
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Originally Posted by Globalgunner
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Lack of pace is definitely a problem for us. Not to mention our fullbacks are shit at crossing. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
Came back in to lament about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by milla
We haven't really had any success since we gave up on players who added said pace and width.
Looking at Dortmund today, I reckon we would have put them to the sword if we had proper wide players, the kind that could deliver some proper crosses.
Hit and miss though he may be, we did miss Walcott today. Dortmund played a very high defensive line for most of the game, which allowed them to press us deep in our own half and give our creative players zero time on the ball. They wouldn't have been able to do that with Theo on the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by milla
Don't know if pace is necessarily always decisive. We took Napoli to school with the same set-up. Rosicky seems to have found a niche as a CL specialist. Dortmund's pressing is excellent though and they nullified Ozil in particular, who was pretty crap. In spite of this we did have openings in a tight game and it was the fine margins that cost us.
That said, good point above ^ regarding the high line.
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Originally Posted by Josh_Gooner
The difference tonight were a few opportunities where quicker ball was needed and didn't get that cross in, or nip that ball through in time.
That's all to do with tempo, and a bit of confidence. At times we werw trying too hard, when the simple ball would hve sufficed.
Rozza is a solid player not a niche CL specialist or squddie. Even at 32 he is still better all rounder than Jack and most of PL midfielders. Let him settle with with our first eleven and we will have a very fluid attacking team. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
Wasn't a bad performance, but with 20 minutes to go, we easily could've held out for the point if we wanted it. Dortmund were happy to take a point. But then I think Wenger was a little naive in pushing forward so hard for the win when 7 points would've still left us in a much, much stronger position in the group. i.e. it wasn't worth the risk to turn 7 points into 9 IMO.
Still, there were still plenty of positives to take. Thought Arteta and Giroud were excellent. And Koscielny and Rosicky also did very well. Fullbacks disappointing but they had a tough time with Ozil basically playing as the second striker.
It's great that we're playing Palace next. Easy game to get back to winning ways.
We got punished for our mistakes tonight. That is what quality teams will do to you - and Dortmund have quality. That said, I don't see them getting that second with Flamini on the pitch.
Almost all the talk of the transfer window has been about Ozil, yet Flamini has almost been as instrumental to our success.
There would be a certain irony if this team who are clearly much better than any in the last 4-5 years didn't make it out of the group and yet those other teams did.
Again tactics. Whenever they attacked they always outnumbered our defence. Gibbsoffers nothing attack, always going catatonic when in the opposition box. The second goal there was no fullback in sight. Your two fullback can't goal at the same time especially against strong counterattacking teamQuote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Gooner
It really wasn't worth the risk. A point against Dortmund would have been a good point. We just made mistakes in that game and they punished us. Weren't a great difference between us and we weren't outclassed like before when we played them. Fine margins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
Didn't pose enough of a threat - they scored with their only goal in the second half and via ramseys derp in the first, not because we where poor defensively (we were pretty good defensively) but because we didn't give them enough of a threat going forward.
A good left winger today would have made that a completely different game.
I was fairly confident that we'd go on to win the game at HT, but we didn't do much upfront really.
Thought we did do enough to get a point, but the combination of Sahin and Bender stifled our attack in the middle. We had nothing on the wings to combat this, and as a result Ozil was anonymous as they didn't afford him any space to get on the ball.
Also with Jack, I'd like to see him rested for a while so he can get sorted out. He's going into too many challenges, dribbles too long and gets knocked and really needs to improve his injury record.
We massively missed Flamini today .
Agreed. They were definitely quick to the ball and at various stages seemed a pace ahead of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
All in all, I think we showed we can play with the best. We're still a team on the rise and all that's missing IMO, is just that extra special ability to take those half chances in tight games.
Onto the next where I hope we quickly put this game behind us by smashing Palace come weekend.
#COYG :scarf:
Giroud really was bloody good again. Maybe even his best performance for us all things considered. He was winning physical battles and turning 30-70s in our favour.
I think we played a great game, despite the 2 mistakes/goals, we were never really in any danger.
Dortmund had all the luck today (especially with the ref) and that was the difference, with a fit cazorla, walcott and flamini, we wouldnt have much problem vs Dortmund, which is quite impressive considering its last years chl finalist
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Originally Posted by Steve French
Indeed. That has left us with a much bigger task now. I fancy our chances of getting a point at Napoli and our better GD to Napoli's should help. But an extra point would've left us with the upper hand on how to approach games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Also getting exasperated with the bot refs in the CL who seem to add 3 minutes stoppage time no matter what. There could be 100 streakers and they still wouldn't budge on that figure.
Hes had a great overall impact but im still waiting for a £40m game from Ozil, but I reserve judgement until he is properly facilitated with runners. Bergkamp admitted Ljungberg, Anelka, Overmars, Henry etc were key to his game as they could run off the ball so same here.
The first goal was down to arrogance, im hoping this at least makes them a little more grounded.