Following on from the Villa match thread, what's the views?
Can someone poll this thread for me as well:
Yes
No
Maybe/Don't Know
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Following on from the Villa match thread, what's the views?
Can someone poll this thread for me as well:
Yes
No
Maybe/Don't Know
Yes / thread
In addition to match officials, include game officials i.e. FA & BPL
......FIFA? ...let's not even go there
what are you like, you killjoyQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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LMAO. Corruption at FIFA? No chance. Qatar were awarded the world cup based on their rich football history and impressive existing infrastructure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
Not to forget their perfect climate to play football in :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
We all know their is corruption in FIFA and UEFA, we just dont know how far it stretches out, does it go all the way down to the refs at times?
It was a simple question with an obvious answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
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Originally Posted by JonasTC
It extends everywhere except the PL.
You have to ask the question tbf.
Why is it that football is pretty much the only sport in the modern world that doesn't use technology to assist in following the rules of the game and getting decisions right?
Much harder to influence results if an instant replay shows what the decision should be.
Technology would cause long delays while they photoshop stuffQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Yeah, I asked that question yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Luckily for FIFA they've played their sleight of hand on that one, introducing goal-line technology that no one wanted.
Funnily enough I was watching SSN this morning, and Dermot Galagher was analysing the weekend's big descisions.
Incidentally he said that the barcodes disallowed goal was a goal. plain and simple, no debate needed. The ref got it wrong.
Then they went on about how hard it was for the ref to see everything that is going on and get all decisions right, etc, which I asked myself - Who the fuck then, is accountable?
He also said that it happens in the training camp too.
He said "if you had a room of 20 refs and they were asked to look at a penalty claim, you could guarantee that 10 would say it was a penalty and 10 would say it wasn't."
Then he said "actually if 19 said it was a penalty and 1 said it wasn't, then you would have a problem" (WTF?!?!)
Surely if everyone - players, refs, linesmen, pundits, fans, etc are all following the exact same set of rules that are set out for the game, then 19/20 calling a decision the same should be the proper outcome?
All this shit about it 'being down to interpretation of the rules, or what the ref thinks at the time' is an archaic load of shite.
I would prefer incidents in games being called correctly and talking points be about how the game was played, how well x player played, how good the goal was, etc, than 'was it a red card? was it a penalty'
Or 'Once again the ref influenced the result'
Yes, a big problem because it would all be even more obvious.Quote:
Then he said "actually if 19 said it was a penalty and 1 said it wasn't, then you would have a problem" (WTF?!?!)
Why would you bother watching if you thought that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
And when we were at our best were the refs in our pay, or does that only work when we're not at the top?
Yeh, too true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
Everyone was calling for goal line technology - (really?)
Then we get peaches like our game against chavs - Lampard hits the crossbar and the ball lands about a metre and a half away from the line - 'lets see on hawkeye if that was goal or not' :rolleyes:
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Come on now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You can't honestly look at some of the dodgy decisions that are made and think it's all on the level.
And please don't say they even themselves out.
We've never had the refs under our influence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
we were just too good at the time and everyone hated us even more because of it.
Wenget for the brown envelope that allowed Pires to win his penalty against Portsmouth. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
They do though. See, when we were playing City, the linesman called us offside a fuckload of times in the first half. In the second half, he called pretty much nothing at all.
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It sounds pretty paranoid to say that when we were top it was despite the corruption and that when other teams are doing well it's all because of corruption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Especially when other teams' fans are equally paranoid and saying how much the media love Arsenal (have a look at glory glory, for example)
We can't lol at them and dismiss them as ridiculous without thinking a bit carefully about making the same claims ourselves.
In fact why live, life is corrupt too. You watch and support because it's your voice shouting against it when the gambling syndicates and dodgy £5K per red card wankers start their antics. If people who wanted to see a level playing field weren't still around then the crooked wankers would have a free reign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
At the most senior level the game is utterly corrupt, surely nobody can argue against that. And there's an endless stream of corruption stories from all across Europe including the PL. Ronaldo just won the accolade of best player on the planet - be nice to know if he was on drugs or not, wouldn't it? To verify if he really was the best without and unfair advantage. And why do these stories bubble to the surface and then mysteriously go quiet? The racism thing gets played forever, Suarez will never hear the end of it for example. But this string of corruption stories, where do they go? What are the outcomes?
There's certainly corruption in the game, no doubt about that. How far does it extend? Is it worth investigating or best brushed under the carpet?
Yes, they are corrupt.
Man City has probably not had a bad decision against them all season so far. Barcelona get away with shit 99% of the time. Chelsea, Madrid, City, Monaco, PSG gives two fucks about the Fair Play rules and so far, nothing has happened to them!
Qatar were awarded the world cup.
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Nothing paranoid about pointing out the shocking string of decisions city have been getting recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Yes, it's worth investigating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
The thing is, in most games both sets of fans will say how crap the ref was and how biased against their own team he was. Why? Because we are biased.
Very hard to argue with made up facts and stats. You win.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
I hate Alan Pardew with a passion, but he was utterly robbed yesterday. The Lino even told the ref the goal was legit, but he still chalked it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Why? Hmmm...
To be fair, if the cunt bastards at the FA can't be bothered to look at the stats then why should we do their job for them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Does anyone remember 'Chelsea Win 99% of Our Games' from 606?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
What a character.
I think it would actually be harder to prove that there isn't any corruption rather than if there is.
Anyone think that the genuine result between us and Citeh should have been 6-6? What was it, 2 disallowed goals and a penalty turned down?
Then Barcodes yesterday?
Corruption or not, at least on the refereeing standards, it's very incompetent to allow the current level of errors that influence results so much. Video technology, in one way or another, should've been in a long time ago for the amount of money and interest riding on these decisions. I've always talked up a challenger system where each team can have one challenge. Presumably they'd save them for the mega controversial decisions like an offside goal, and the mins spent arguing with the referee would disappear with a 5 second check on a replay.
But the fact that it's not being implemented in some way is allowing more claims for corruption. Because, really, there's no reason not to. Tradition is important but sports are allowed to improve. Most high profile sports with a following have it now. Only football lags way behind.
This board is corrupt. :coffee:
Replying to thread. No - there's no corruption only incompetence.
And IMHO there has always been incompetence. Its just now that every refereeing decision is endlessly analysed. In the past - with less wall to wall coverage and less riding on results financially, poor decisions didn't get the scrutiny they now do.
Which might have been acceptable before they turned pro. Surely there should be some kind of expectation of consistency and accuracy of decisions with a very high minimum acceptable percentage of errors
Does such a thing exist?
Been thinking about this a bit. I think times change. Human nature doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Xs-
I heard for every million passenger flights there's one crash. So competency is possible in some industries. Trouble with refs is they have too many people apologising for their astounding (which is what it is, astounding) incompetence. The FA, the media, pundits and even the fans, all commiserating with how hard it is to be a ref. Well steps could have been taken a long time ago to introduce at least some minimal competency to what is a multi billion quid industry after all. Certainly technology. Then there's this bullshit about players making it hard for the refs. And nothing gets done about it. A ten match ban for clear cases of cheating (like every time Bale plays), that should sort that out easily enough. A ten match ban for dissent, even if it did mean Utd would effectively cease to operate. A ten match ban for being a big girl's blouse and rolling all around the place every five minutes. They could fix a lot of the shit they use to apologise for these crappy refs.
Which is why they don't do it I suppose. Controversy sells and the scum that has floated to the top of the game is all about the money.
Hmmm - I think the problem is that although the game has changed out of all recognition, our obsession with 'tradition' has meant that match officials are starved of the technology that would allow them to keep pace. I agree 100% though, that there is huge inconsistency in terms of disciplinary process. For example, I simply don't understand why violent conduct can be punished after the event but diving; or obvious offences that the ref has apparently seen but fked up isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Not to talk about the 2 offsides that would have seen us alone with the keeper. Negredo's offside goal and Milners best impression of Ashley Young for the penalty. I cant believe this game is being forgotten just because we played bad, this was as obvious as it could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
People were absolutely convinced that we had the refs on our side during the unbeaten season. They would point to the Portsmouth game other decisions that went in our favour and cry about corruption and unfairness. They would point to a penalty that their team should have won or a player that shouldn't have got sent off and make a list of 'proof'. I remember having a good laugh at those whiny, jealous and bitter fans and ask myself 'how is it possible to become THAT bad of a loser?!'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
I just hope our fans aren't going the same way.